India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

b787 said:

have you read History, how WWII started?
in 1936, Germany, was claiming many territories belonging to other nations, does it ring a bell?
the west allowed it for a while until 1939, the rest is history.

if you can not see the trend well is not my problem, i can tell you if WWIII, starts, China will be one of the biggest losers.

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Another question. Please name a guy who always brings up his "invincible nukes" when faced with even a slim of danger. Hint. The guy has a last name of Kim... I don't think you want to be mentioned in the same breath with that guy.

So quit all the nuke talk. It's worthless.

vesicles said:

That would mean a serious expansion of the current problem. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to expand this further. It's better to contain this as much as possible.

I don't know how many Indian and Pakistani troops are in Kashmir now, but it's not a few hundred. That means China would also have to deploy a lot of troops and equipment to mean anything. That's a lot of resources invested in something that is a huge mess.

How would china get out of it later on? Kashmir is a huge mess. I don't think it's a good idea to get into something this messy.

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I was not suggesting a full blown military deployment of China on Pakistan side, but a positional change from the current "Chinese neutrality" to a "leaning towards Pakistani position". Or put pressure on the western front of the Sino-Indian border, Aksai Chin for example.

Getting into Kashmir is not necessarily linked to Pakistan, Aksai Chin is bordering Indian Kashmir.

Yes, getting in between India and Pakistan on their dispute is risky to pull out, but also serve a clear message to India, essentially feeding it with its own medicine. Maybe a formal talk by Foreign Minister to support Pakistan's position would do a good work without getting too deep.

On the other hand, China is already in that mess with India because of that part of border between China and India is not settled, it is just a frozen mess rather than a hot mess between Pakistan and India.

vesicles said:

Answer my question. Do you blame the Indians for initiating a conflict with a major nuclear power?

This time, it's not the Chinese who've intruded into others' lands. Their land has been trespassed. They are the modern day equivalent of Poland in this case, not Germany. They didn't send their troops into others' land.

China has settled its disputes with its neighbors peacefully. And in most cases, yielded lands to its neighbors. If you don't believe me, check out the Chinese map on the Taiwan government website. It's much bigger than the current Chinese map. Why? China has given up much land to its neighbors in attempt to settle disputes.

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get it, China is like Germany in 1936, claiming land every where, to Vietnam, to Japan, to Philippines, to Bhutan the problem is that can lead to war, as a human once radiation is released it goes every where, it is not a small issue, because what India did was the same China did in the south China sea, any action will be mirrowed by the nations China has disputes with, this can lead to war, and get it, China will be one of the biggest losers

b787 said:

get it, China is like Germany in 1936, claiming land every where, to Vietnam, to Japan, to Philippines, to Bhutan the problem is that can lead to war, as a human once radiation is released it goes every where, it is not a small issue, because what India did was the same China did in the south China sea, any action will be mirrowed by the nations China has disputes with, this can lead to war, and get it, China will be one of the biggest losers

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Answer my question. Do you blame India for initiating a conflict with a major nuclear power.

b787 said:

get it, China is like Germany in 1936, claiming land every where, to Vietnam, to Japan, to Philippines, to Bhutan the problem is that can lead to war, as a human once radiation is released it goes every where, it is not a small issue, because what India did was the same China did in the south China sea, any action will be mirrowed by the nations China has disputes with, this can lead to war, and get it, China will be one of the biggest losers

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Well, Vietnam is also disputing land with the Philippines, with Cambodia, with Laos and with Thailand. SK is disputing land with Japan. Everybody is disputing with everybody. Why single out china?

Why do you compare China to WWII Germany when China is the one being invaded? Were the Nazis nice enough to allow invaders to stay in their territory for almost 2 months?

Again, answer my question. Do you blame India for initiating the conflict with a major nuclear power? You certainly blame china for protecting itself.

vesicles said:

Answer my question. Do you blame India for initiating a conflict with a major nuclear power.

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Just remind you and everyone. b787 is known to dodge questions, moving target post to avoid giving direct answers to unfavorable questions. I won't expect we can ever get a "yes" or "no" from "her".

taxiya said:

First off, bringing Nuclear talks into a border conflict is OT and flame baiting. If you have not pay attention to my post, I did not suggest any shooting nor into undisputed Indian territory, huge difference.

Secondly, China and Soviet did shoot each other at the then disputed border in 1969, there were casualties on both sides. Soviet had a huge nuclear arsenals than China, but it did not use them.

The current situation in Kashmir is that it is disputed between India vs. Pakistan, China vs. India.

Now you can make your calculation.

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in 1969, the Soviet Union, had a skirmish, what tells you India will back down, or the skirmish will not evolve into war? you think China will threat India and that is it, childish way of thinking, big politics means the risk of war, good politicians do not play with fire

vesicles said:

Well, Vietnam is also disputing land with the Philippines, with Cambodia, with Laos and with Thailand. SK is disputing land with Japan. Everybody is disputing with everybody. Why single out china?

Why do you compare China to WWII Germany when China is the one being invaded? Were the Nazis nice enough to allow invaders to stay in their territory for almost 2 months?

Again, answer my question. Do you blame India for initiating the conflict with a major nuclear power? You certainly blame china for protecting itself.

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for Bhutan that is not Chinese territory, for Japan, the Senkaku are not Chinese, who is having trouble with all its neighbors? Bhutan? Japan? India?

b787 said:

in 1969, the Soviet Union, had a skirmish, what tells you India will back down, or the skirmish will not evolve into war? you think China will threat India and that is it, childish way of thinking, big politics means the risk of war, good politicians do not play with fire

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So knowing all this, why did the Indians move into Chinese territory, while knowing fully well that they might start WWIII? Why did the Indians start it? Why?

Answer my question

b787 said:

for Bhutan that is not Chinese territory, for Japan, the Senkaku are not Chinese, who is having trouble with all its neighbors? Bhutan? Japan? India?

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So in your mind, China is the WWII Germany and is looking for an excuse to invade everybody. So do you think the Indians are dumb enough to give the Chinese that legitimate excuse they seek so badly? Do you blame India for unilaterally starting the conflict?