Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

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Here's a great comment from Nury Vittachi on the national security law that got the West all fuming about!

NOT SURE if it’s hypocrisy or just laziness. But so many people criticize Hong Kong’s anti-subversion law despite the fact that most places have similar ones—and some countries have much more sweeping legislation. One of the things I love about America’s open society (I have several American siblings) is that it is generally better at self-criticism than our uptight Asian societies, so it’s easy to find open discussions among experts. Hong Kong’s law focuses mainly on seditious collusion, while civil liberties specialists in the US say their nation’s panoply of more than 20 national security laws, many of which come from Republican roots, is gratuitous overkill.
General conclusion: Having a security law may not be the end of the world after all

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And even Switzerland which supposed to be neutral. Says it all really!

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This is why a national security law is needed in HK to fight malicious subversion of HK democracy.

Brian Kern is an imposter using a fake Chinese persona "Kong Tsung-gan" in collusion with Hong Kong Free Press. Under this persona, he is also the actual fictional author of "Liberate Hong Kong: Stories From The Freedom Struggle", which is popular with Western media who often referred to him as a Hong Kong writer and activist.

He also use a second pen name which is "Xun Yuezang".

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Unmasked Chinese fake quits HK - but keeps phony persona
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An activist hiding his American voice behind a Chinese persona has left Hong Kong after he was called out for adopting and using a Chinese pen name without making a disclaimer.

The Standard columnist Nury Vittachi broke the news last December that "Kong Tsung-gan" - who is frequently quoted in the English-language press as a Hong Kong Chinese writer and activist - is in fact Brian Kern, a teacher from the United States.

This was confirmed in an investigative piece published this week in The Grayzone, a website run by American journalist Max Blumenthal.
The Grayzone reported that Kern grew up in Minnesota and worked in Norway and London, where he was a member of the education team at Amnesty International.

He moved to Hong Kong in 2008, where he taught at the Chinese International School and set up its human rights club.

The Grayzone said that Twitter user Kong Tsung-gan first emerged in 2015, with commentaries about the Occupy Movement. Until late last year, a black-and-white mugshot of an unknown Asian person was used as the account's avatar.

In one blog post, he claimed he attended a Band 1 government school - which led readers to believe he was a Hong Kong native.
"Kong," the author of Liberate Hong Kong: Stories From The Freedom Struggle, was popular with Western media who often referred to him as a Hong Kong writer and activist.

But Blumenthal questioned if people were aware that it was in fact a Chinese persona adopted by an American man.


Vittachi recalled that last December, he received a tip-off from readers that Kong is Caucasian.

In his column, he challenged Kern for presenting himself as a person with a different ethnicity.

"It is not illegal to publish material under a pen name, but journalistic ethics require publications to reveal that 'names have been changed.' Presenting yourself as a person with a different ethnicity is a whole step more controversial," Vittachi wrote back then.

After that, Hong Kong Free Press, where Kern is a columnist, threatened to take legal action against Vittachi and The Standard unless it removed the article.

Tom Grundy, editor-in-chief of Hong Kong Free Press, also threatened to report to the Hong Kong Journalists Association, the International Federation of Journalists and Hong Kong's Privacy Commissioner about "doxxing."

"It is very strange that they [HKFP] worked so hard to conceal his identity, along with the lawsuit. Their reaction seemed too heavy," Vittachi said.

He revealed that a local group, The Third Degree, also investigated the writer and was unhappy about the false ethnicity.
"You can't do this in the era of Black Lives Matter," a group member told Vittachi.

Readers of The Standard also discovered that Kern has a second pen name - "Xun Yuezang" - which he used for a novel about ill-treated activists.

Xun was interviewed in an article by-lined Kong Tsung-gan when they were, in fact, the same person.

In an article published in HKFP following The Grayzone report, "Kong" said he is a Hong Kong permanent resident. The pen name was given to him by a Chinese human rights activist many years ago. "I certainly have not intended to deceive anyone about my ethnicity," he wrote.

"I would say I understand the recent debate over identity politics and may have chosen a different name if I were making the choice for the first time today."

He said he considers himself a Hong Kong person and has no other home - but claimed he decided to leave the city following threats made against his family.

He continues to use the pen name and posted on Twitter about the arrest of Next Media founder Jimmy Lai Chee-ying.
 

tamsen_ikard

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HK should borrow a leaf from Singapore's past cleanup programme under Lee Kuan Yew, known as Operation Cold Storage to aim at crippling foreign-funded subversion efforts. Indefinite detention without trial.

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Hong Kong's problems are far deeper than foreign funded subversion.

Going for the Singapore route is certainly an option CCP is considering for Hong Kong. But I don't think Hong Kong can ever become like Singapore. The biggest problem with Hong Kongers is that they firmly believe in the "western values superior" mantra. They built their life and society around it Hong Kongers firmly accepted their subordinate position under the white-European British elite and built up their wealth. So, they now have deep reverence for western countries and western way of doing things. They had no problems being second class citizens under the british since they considered them the superior people and the superior culture.

While developing themselves, Hong Kongers also internalized a deep sense of superiority over their mainland counter parts. The mainlanders were poor and didn't have western values and upbringing. As they got richer they internalized a They have grown up watching themselves get much richer than the mainland China and then watch the mainland catch up while they stagnated. They watched their city get under communist China rule and never accepted being ruled by people they considered to be inferior and poorer to them.

This poses the fundamental question that faces China not just in Hong Kong, but also Taiwan. Can a poorer China rule a richer region that got rich by being sub-ordinate to the west and accepted the superiority of the western people and values?

They cannot. As long as China remains poorer than the west, it will always be inferior in the eyes of Hong Kongers and they will never accept it. Unless China heavily represses and re-educates them. China needs to completely break Hong Kong's current way of life and current value system. Even Pro-Beijing Hong kongers think they are superior to main landers. Even pro-beijing Hong Kongers lament that they cannot allow Hong Kong to become just another mainland city. Is being a rich and prosperous city like Shanghai really that bad? For them it is, because it is still inferior.

China's current approach of national security law is just a bandaid. It will keep hong kong at a low level simmer for many years. I think CCP does realize that a full court press just like in Xinjiang is probably needed to finally integrate Hong Kong to the rest of China. But China is unwilling to face the western pressure. So, it will go for slow and steady escalation actions that will finally break Hong Kong's pro-western superiority complex. I think CCP will try actions every time and Hong Kong will continue its defiance in some round about way. then CCP will be forced to come up with even more tough measures. This will go on for many years until either Hong Kong becomes Xinjiang like re-education by force. Or China will become richer enough that Hong Kongers finally do not see themselves and westerners as superior.
 

Gatekeeper

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Good for her, these western institutions are playing political games. They are playing it when they offered it the first place, and they are playing it when they making treats to take it away.

Good riddance, judging at what happened to Junius Ho. They will stripped her fellowship sooner or later.

From GT.

Carrie Lam gives up honorary fellowship at Cambridge University, expresses disappointment at unwarranted accusations

Source: Global Times Published: 2020/8/16

Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam said she was disappointed at unwarranted accusations and therefore has given up her honorary fellowship at the Wolfson College of Cambridge University as the college was under pressure to revoke her fellowship following the enactment of the national security law.

Lam wrote in a Facebook post on Saturday that she voluntarily gave up the fellowship on Friday. She was bestowed the fellowship in 2017 after she was elected the chief executive of Hong Kong.

According to Lam, the current college president has been under pressure from some British politicians, media and organizations since the unrest occurred in Hong Kong last year. The president has written to Lam to inform her that some people had asked the college to revoke the fellowship.

Lam said she had repeatedly written to the college to clarify the situation.

In her last letter to the college on Friday, Lam wrote that universities in Hong Kong enjoy academic freedom and that the UK has similar legal clauses to protect its own national security.

Lam wrote in her Facebook post that she was very disappointed at Wolfson College's attitude and the accusations against her are baseless and unwarranted.

"I cannot persuade myself to continue having any connection with Wolfson College and therefore decided to give back the honorary fellowship," Lam wrote.

Lam was not the first Hong Kong politician to give up honorary titles due to political slander in the West.

In 2019, Hong Kong lawmaker Junius Ho was stripped of an honorary law degree by Anglia Ruskin University, his alma mater in Britain.
 

Gatekeeper

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A year on since she 'lost an eye'. Whatever happened to the 'one eye girl'?

Even to this day, I've friends and colleagues still insisting that China's brutality making a poor 'innocent girl' losing her eye! This dispute me telling them that she took out a court injunction against giving police her medical records for investigation! Who would do that if they have nothing to hide?

I guess it's true what they say:

When a lie gets a head start, the truth will never catch up.

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Gatekeeper

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This is great, a tweeter rant from non other! So where was your law and order credentials when the rioters he Hong Kong to ransom.

But all the sudden when ONE rioters refused legal aid for reasonableness, dear Jimmy come out and rant about the unfairness to the rioters!

Stomp up the money yourself if you feel that strongly about it!

If it's was me, not only will I refused legal aid, I would charge the price of the bullet used as a waste of public money on top! Lol

 

supersnoop

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Hong Kong's problems are far deeper than foreign funded subversion.

Going for the Singapore route is certainly an option CCP is considering for Hong Kong. But I don't think Hong Kong can ever become like Singapore. The biggest problem with Hong Kongers is that they firmly believe in the "western values superior" mantra. They built their life and society around it Hong Kongers firmly accepted their subordinate position under the white-European British elite and built up their wealth. So, they now have deep reverence for western countries and western way of doing things. They had no problems being second class citizens under the british since they considered them the superior people and the superior culture.

While developing themselves, Hong Kongers also internalized a deep sense of superiority over their mainland counter parts. The mainlanders were poor and didn't have western values and upbringing. As they got richer they internalized a They have grown up watching themselves get much richer than the mainland China and then watch the mainland catch up while they stagnated. They watched their city get under communist China rule and never accepted being ruled by people they considered to be inferior and poorer to them.

This poses the fundamental question that faces China not just in Hong Kong, but also Taiwan. Can a poorer China rule a richer region that got rich by being sub-ordinate to the west and accepted the superiority of the western people and values?

They cannot. As long as China remains poorer than the west, it will always be inferior in the eyes of Hong Kongers and they will never accept it. Unless China heavily represses and re-educates them. China needs to completely break Hong Kong's current way of life and current value system. Even Pro-Beijing Hong kongers think they are superior to main landers. Even pro-beijing Hong Kongers lament that they cannot allow Hong Kong to become just another mainland city. Is being a rich and prosperous city like Shanghai really that bad? For them it is, because it is still inferior.

China's current approach of national security law is just a bandaid. It will keep hong kong at a low level simmer for many years. I think CCP does realize that a full court press just like in Xinjiang is probably needed to finally integrate Hong Kong to the rest of China. But China is unwilling to face the western pressure. So, it will go for slow and steady escalation actions that will finally break Hong Kong's pro-western superiority complex. I think CCP will try actions every time and Hong Kong will continue its defiance in some round about way. then CCP will be forced to come up with even more tough measures. This will go on for many years until either Hong Kong becomes Xinjiang like re-education by force. Or China will become richer enough that Hong Kongers finally do not see themselves and westerners as superior.

Disagree.

You have correctly summed up the position of that particular group (western values superior), but I think you have totally misunderstood the idea of “not being another mainland city”.

Look this way, who came up with that phrase anyway? It is western media. Really, there is no “just another mainland city”, Shanghai is Shanghai, Beijing is Beijing. HK people can be loyal and maintain the unique character of the city.

It’s not really “re-education”. It’s more like education reform. We all see it on this forum. There’s a big problem when 1/3 of the arrested rioters are under the age of 18.

The anti government movement has fully infiltrated key postings such as health and education. I think there was a post that showed some Doctor who wants testing done for $1500, rather than $50 by mainland labs.

Western architects of colour revolutions know that the upper middle class is the key demographic to control. In fact, this is true throughout history. They are the people with the most to lose. I think the biggest impediment to western influence are HK businesspeople with mainland business. As long as this bulwark exists, I think time is on the government’s side.
 
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