Hong-Kong Protests

Lama said:

So why they hate China? Is mainland China should be blame? Is it because of CCP's control? IMO this is precisely because the central government has basically left Hong Kong alone and didn't force Hong Kong to integrate into China's overall development. Yet they blame it all on China's control. Why can't I say they were brainwashed by western countries?

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They don't hate China - as people here tirelessly say, Hong Kong is part of China.

They're angry at the CCP, because only the CCP can authorise voting reform. Currently it's virtually impossible for ordinary HongKongese to get a government that prioritises higher spending and housing/employment reform, because special interest groups that benefit from the status-quo control the assembly and Chief Executive post. Until the CCP allows ordinary HKese to directly pick the Chief Executive and all the legislators, there won't be any change that makes the lives of ordinary - especially younger - HKese better.

Anyway, this moving towards a politcal discussion, and the mods don't like that. If you want to continue it, feel free to message me.

Australia's response to Hong Kong looks like more bark than bite. They'll also be signing BRI projects next week I think? Will need to wait and see though. This doesn't mean that their policy towards Hong Kong won't change, nor that their foreign policy will towards China will go back to normal.

Aus will be idiotic to push more anti China policies. It already been a good dog to Trump's USA. Anymore and china's retaliation will really hurt their economy

AssassinsMace said:

If they believed in human rights and are in the forefront of police brutality, then they should care. But we all know they're just sycophants hiding behind higher causes for their own personal gain hence why the silence.

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You got a point here. And I'm talking about Amnesty International here! When the riot was happening in Hong Kong, and the police shot a thug who was rushing towards him. The video clearly showed the police was acting in self-defence. Nevertheless Amnesty International felt it it's their duty to inveistgate. Yet strangely silence on the Minneapolis case.

I used to have respect for Amnesty International, and not surprisingly I don't anymore.

plawolf said:

It’s pointless trying to shame people who know no shame.

I think China should just round up all the rioters in HK, taking special care to make sure they all have their BNO passports, and literally ship them all to the UK now that the Tory government has been idiotic enough to think suggesting offering them citizenship is any kind of deterrence to China.

Let these idiotic snowflakes with delusions of grandeur try their BS here and get a first hand taste of what ‘free‘ western police tactics is actually like. I can guarantee you HK police will feel like Disneyland Mascots in comparison.

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There are approxmately 300,000 BNO passport holders. And as from now, foreign Secretary Dominic Rabb (yes another buffoon Dominic) have promised extra 6 months stay for these worthless passports. So China should send all these lot on extended vocation to the UK. Gee, I can hear the outcry of xenophobic Britains' in my ears now!

Gatekeeper said:

There are approxmately 300,000 BNO passport holders. And as from now, foreign Secretary Dominic Rabb (yes another buffoon Dominic) have promised extra 6 months stay for these worthless passports. So China should send all these lot on extended vocation to the UK. Gee, I can hear the outcry of xenophobic Britains' in my ears now!

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It really is a golden opportunity for China to rid itself of the worst offenders while obliterating the UK with its own BS.

China should immediately welcome the British position and request they extend that ‘welcome’ to all HK residents.

Furthermore it should immediately revoke all Chinese passports already issued to HK residents, but offer to re-issue new ones at no additional cost. But it need to extend its passport dual nationality checks currently in operation abroad to HK as well for the new replacement passports, whereby anyone who wishes to apply for a Chinese passport in HK must get formal, written confirmation from the British government that they are NOT a BNO passport holder.

Anyone who leaves HK using a BNO passport will automatically have their Chinese citizenship revoked. They will be treated as a British foreign national if they return, meaning they can return without needing a visa and stay for 180 days. But if they break any laws during their stay, they will be deported to the UK and be barred from entering HK again for a length of time proportional to the offence committed.

Mr T said:

They don't hate China - as people here tirelessly say, Hong Kong is part of China.

They're angry at the CCP, because only the CCP can authorise voting reform. Currently it's virtually impossible for ordinary HongKongese to get a government that prioritises higher spending and housing/employment reform, because special interest groups that benefit from the status-quo control the assembly and Chief Executive post. Until the CCP allows ordinary HKese to directly pick the Chief Executive and all the legislators, there won't be any change that makes the lives of ordinary - especially younger - HKese better.

Anyway, this moving towards a politcal discussion, and the mods don't like that. If you want to continue it, feel free to message me.

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Only NPC can authorise voting reform, not CCP. The scheme given by NPC is the list of candidates need to be investigated by central gov. But in 2014 it was blocked by mass protests of unwarranted distrust of CCP. ' One country, two systems' dosen't mean China has became an federal state. Appointment of the chief executive of Hong Kong must and should serve both China's overall interests and Hong Kong's local interests.
You say "They don't hate China". Well I know many HKers love China and accept the truth. But there're also people who burn PRC's flag, attack people from mainland and HKer who just say "HK is a part of China", insult the Chinese nation on the Internet. I think hate is obvious.

plawolf said:

It really is a golden opportunity for China to rid itself of the worst offenders while obliterating the UK with its own BS.

China should immediately welcome the British position and request they extend that ‘welcome’ to all HK residents.

Furthermore it should immediately revoke all Chinese passports already issued to HK residents, but offer to re-issue new ones at no additional cost. But it need to extend its passport dual nationality checks currently in operation abroad to HK as well for the new replacement passports, whereby anyone who wishes to apply for a Chinese passport in HK must get formal, written confirmation from the British government that they are NOT a BNO passport holder.

Anyone who leaves HK using a BNO passport will automatically have their Chinese citizenship revoked. They will be treated as a British foreign national if they return, meaning they can return without needing a visa and stay for 180 days. But if they break any laws during their stay, they will be deported to the UK and be barred from entering HK again for a length of time proportional to the offence committed.

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That's also what I thought. Some HKers are happy, China is happy, Britain is happy. Triple win.

plawolf said:

It really is a golden opportunity for China to rid itself of the worst offenders while obliterating the UK with its own BS.

China should immediately welcome the British position and request they extend that ‘welcome’ to all HK residents.

Furthermore it should immediately revoke all Chinese passports already issued to HK residents, but offer to re-issue new ones at no additional cost. But it need to extend its passport dual nationality checks currently in operation abroad to HK as well for the new replacement passports, whereby anyone who wishes to apply for a Chinese passport in HK must get formal, written confirmation from the British government that they are NOT a BNO passport holder.

Anyone who leaves HK using a BNO passport will automatically have their Chinese citizenship revoked. They will be treated as a British foreign national if they return, meaning they can return without needing a visa and stay for 180 days. But if they break any laws during their stay, they will be deported to the UK and be barred from entering HK again for a length of time proportional to the offence committed.

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I like your ideal, but there are a couple of snags. One, BNO does not entitled to the holder a PERMANENT UK residency. (Despite noises coming out of Johnson and Rabbs.) It was all for show! They won't dare because of the xenophobic wing of their party.

So within a year, Hong Kong will be forced to take them back as they are Hong Kong ID holders, and without a country of origin.

Anyone leaving with BNO passport will have the same problem, just the recent debacle in Peru. When a few BNO passport holders resist assistant from China to fly them back to Hong Kong, because it is the UK's responsibility to do so. Notice the UK didn't offer to fly them to the UK.

So China can't just dump them at the Hong Kong airport just like Uganda did in the 1970s, and shamed Britain into sending planes over to collect all British passport holders. (Britain learned their lesson well)!

In order for your suggestion to work legally, it's call Britain's bluff. Called their promise of stronger actions and make these sad 300,000 FULL rights of abode. I'm not a gambling man, but I'll bet you my house that ain't NEVER going to happen!

@Lama

No! Britain is never going to be happy with that. Please read above.

Lama said:

Only NPC can authorise voting reform, not CCP.

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The NPC is not an independent body and rubber-stamps pretty much everything the CCP leadership puts in front of it. The CCP leadership is against voting reform in Hong Kong of the sort that would allow a pro-public spending government.

But in 2014 it was blocked by mass protests of unwarranted distrust of CCP. ' One country, two systems' dosen't mean China has became an federal state. Appointment of the chief executive of Hong Kong must and should serve both China's overall interests and Hong Kong's local interests.

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The 2015 voting "reform" proposal wouldn't have changed anything. Only 2 or 3 candidates would have been allowed, and all candidates would have needed support from more than 50% of the same committee that exists and that is dominated by establishment special-interest groups. So Hong Kongese would have had no real choice, because all the candidates would have been pro-Beijing/pro-HK establishment, and therefore against increased taxation.

But there're also people who burn PRC's flag, attack people from mainland and HKer who just say "HK is a part of China", insult the Chinese nation on the Internet. I think hate is obvious.

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Well, I hate to say it, but the attitude from pro-CCP netizens/civilians isn't any better. Hell, I've seen people on this thread call for anti-CCP protesters in HK to be locked up or deported because they see the protesters' ideology as a threat to their own. A person can't, on the one hand, complain when their opponents are unpleasant towards them and then, in the same breath, demand they all be imprisoned or sent away.