That's all hindus think about all day and night; Chinese and Muslims. I unironically hope Russia is doing serious propaganda behind the scenes, though.
Hong-Kong Protests
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That's all hindus think about all day and night; Chinese and Muslims. I unironically hope Russia is doing serious propaganda behind the scenes, though.
foxmulder_ms
Junior Member
Impressive... I am telling you that US has more prisoners than China and India combined and police kill number is comparable to that of Venezuela (which is basically experiencing a "mild" civil war) all you can say is "fake data". wow.
Next time you are in a place where there are 10 men, think about this statistics: one of them was in prison. (Yes likelihood of being imprisoned in lifetime is >9%). For some reason it is 28.5% blacks and 16% for hispanics!
Yeah.. sure it is going well. Nothing to see here
antiterror13
Brigadier
Impressive... I am telling you that US has more prisoners than China and India combined and police kill number is comparable to that of Venezuela (which is basically experiencing a "mild" civil war) all you can say is "fake data". wow.
Next time you are in a place where there are 10 men, think about this statistics: one of them was in prison. (Yes likelihood of being imprisoned in lifetime is >9%). For some reason it is 28.5% blacks and 16% for hispanics!
Yeah.. sure it is going well. Nothing to see here
rotten country
Mr T
Senior Member
Young HK people aren't brainwashed. They're angry that their city has been turned into an overcrowded metropolis, where they have no chance of owning a reasonably sized property, have dismal career prospects due to the lack of well-paid jobs (and that those exist are designed more for international financial workers) and state benefits are pathetic.
Hong Kong spends less than 10% of GDP on government spending. That compares with over 14% in Singapore, nearly 15% in China and about 20% in Germany.
Basically, Hong Kong is a libertarian's wet-dream. It's low tax, low regulation and low spending. If you're rich, it's heaven. If you're poor, you're stuffed. If you're in the middle, you'll struggle.
This was sort of ok in the past, because Hong Kong was growing fast and there was enough money for most people. But now Hong Kong is more like a developed country, so government spending needs to increase with richer people shouldering more of the economic burden.
Just look at those figures I gave you. Hong Kong really should be spending about the same as Singapore as a percentage of GDP. But in reality it's spending almost 50% less. That's huge. That's why life sucks for so many people there, because the government won't put in place social programmes that are needed. And because young people are not going to have established careers, are more likely to have young children to look after and have a long time to retirement, they're most affected.
But, hey, it's easier to just blame people for being "brainwashed" than admit they've got actual grievances that have been ignored for the past 10 years and have no sign of being resolved.
EDIT: The specific government policies that started the protests - and the police response that inflamed passions - were just triggers. The long-term issues I mention above were the fuel. If young HKese had been happy with their lives and prospects, they would have been less concerned about the proposed extradition law or accepted mealy-mouthed government apologies such that the protests ended last year.
So why they hate China? Is mainland China should be blame? Is it because of CCP's control? IMO this is precisely because the central government has basically left Hong Kong alone and didn't force Hong Kong to integrate into China's overall development. Yet they blame it all on China's control. Why can't I say they were brainwashed by western countries?
So with Minneapolis burning, USA MSM decided to lead with full front page on Hong Kong. Figures!
Meanwhile, POTUS tweeted this (I saw it on his tweet this morning but now I can't access it, but it's a good job a newspaper had already printed it) but probably deletes since.
So he's all for shooting rioters "thugs" when is in Minneapolis, but in Hong Kong they are rioters "Good people"!
"These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen," Trump tweeted early Friday morning. "Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts."
Meanwhile, POTUS tweeted this (I saw it on his tweet this morning but now I can't access it, but it's a good job a newspaper had already printed it) but probably deletes since.
So he's all for shooting rioters "thugs" when is in Minneapolis, but in Hong Kong they are rioters "Good people"!
"These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen," Trump tweeted early Friday morning. "Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts."
Vassal state is probably too strong a definition nowadays. It certainly was prior to the wall coming Down. When I was travelling round West Germany, there were US bases everywhere, and I often come across their army vehicles on public highways going back and forth.
Nowadays with EU integration, Germany has found a voice and leadership. And with its business less dependant on US, It can, to some degree have a more independent foreign policy. Unlike that in Japan.
Yes, I think 5 eyes minus 1 can be dealt with piecemeal:
1 eye (New Zealand) already chicken out
Australia if is going continue with this madness is going to be enduring lots of pain in the future with very little to no gain!
UK likewise but perhaps not as painful due to less exposure to China. But might change policy if no gain is forthcoming from US.
Canada is going to be the tough but to crack in my opinion.
So 5 eyes might become 2 eyes.