Hong-Kong Protests

What more do these entitled people want? Obviously not lacking in human rights freedom and economic freedom if you are willing to work for it.

I get it that they are intimidated by a little competition from China. Grow up already as those benefits needs to be earned in today's world.

GLORY to Hong Kong. Yeah, sure why not. But the question is for WHOM? for the Queen and for Potus? Obviously they are not doing any good for Hong Kong.
 
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styx

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it's all about nationalism, right wing nationalism, so is why protests must be crushed
 
What more do these entitled people want? Obviously not lacking in human rights freedom and economic freedom if you are willing to work for it.

I get it that they are intimidated by a little competition from China. Grow up already as those benefits needs to be earned in today's world.

GLORY to Hong Kong. Yeah, sure why not. But the question is for WHOM? for the Queen and for Potus? Obviously they are not doing any good for Hong Kong.

Excessive "economic freedom" and misapplied "human rights freedom" as well as wide absolute disparities between China and Hong Kong are unsurprisingly causing economic and social problems.

Implications that these are problems mainly due to the nature of Hong Kongers are as wrong and delusional as the rioters' claims.

The good thing these protests and riots have done for Hong Kong is that they are illustrating the ineptitude and stagnation of the Hong Kong government leadership and societal elites in looking out for Hong Kongers and leading them to adapt to a changing world.
 
Excessive "economic freedom" and misapplied "human rights freedom" as well as wide absolute disparities between China and Hong Kong are unsurprisingly causing economic and social problems.

Implications that these are problems mainly due to the nature of Hong Kongers are as wrong and delusional as the rioters' claims.

The good thing these protests and riots have done for Hong Kong is that they are illustrating the ineptitude and stagnation of the Hong Kong government leadership and societal elites in looking out for Hong Kongers and leading them to adapt to a changing world.

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SEPTEMBER 13, 2019
Hong Kong property tycoons in Beijing's crosshairs
Beijing wants Hong Kong tycoons like Li Ka-shing to help young people access cheaper housing. Photo: Xinhua

Hong Kong property tycoons in Beijing’s crosshairs
Beijing endorses plan by DAB for HK government buy-up of land owned by developers and construction of affordable housing for young people

ByFRANK CHEN

Beijing has endorsed a plan for action on the housing crisis in Hong Kong, which is increasingly seen as a key root cause of protests that have wracked the city for more than three months.

It has backed a proposal by the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, a pro-mainland political party, to make full use of powers and rights granted to the government under the Lands Resumption Ordinance to expropriate private land to boost supply, particularly plots for public rental units.

An opinion piece in The People’s Daily on Friday, which was widely shared by news portals and on social media, said Hong Kong’s perennial housing woes were caused by “developers defending their vested interests” to stall state land plans or fight efforts to curb runaway property prices – and this had fanned people’s mistrust of the authorities.

“Many apolitical young people became disillusioned and were then instigated to take to the streets to protest against the government. The underlying reason is their hopelessness, like owning a home… Hong Kong should wait no more,” the piece concluded. It echoed calls to shake up the city’s operating systems, which appear skewed towards the well-off.

The article noted that taking back land from private owners – in most cases chunks owned by developers but which have laid bare for years – is a delicate “rebalancing act” between private property rights and public interest. But it said the city’s Basic Law has a specific clause regarding compensation when a person is deprived of land or home, which says it must correspond to the real current value of the property.

“For the sake of the public and livelihood, it is high time that realty developers showed sincerity and goodwill, when in the past they raked it in by hoarding plots and dictating prices… They should reflect on themselves on how to shoulder their responsibilities for Hong Kong and genuinely ‘give a way out’ for youngsters,” the op-ed said.

‘Extreme capitalist system’
Meanwhile, Hu Xijin, chief editor of the Global Times, a tabloid under the People’s Daily umbrella, also lashed out at Hong Kong’s “extreme capitalist system” and said the government’s lack of intervention and political opponents were making livelihood issues worse.

Having visited grassroots families and witnessed their plight living in the city’s notorious subdivided flats and even “cage homes”, Hu argued in his column that the entire nation should pool resources and efforts to prod and help Hong Kong solve its housing crisis.

“The central government would have long acted on [the housing and livelihood problems], if Hong Kong was a mainland city,” Hu claimed.

Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam also promised this week to focus on housing and jobs in a bid to try to end the unrest. In a Facebook post, Lam said her government would boost the supply of homes. “Housing and people’s livelihoods are the main priorities. The government will add to housing supply measures which will be continuously put in place and not missed.”

‘Allow them a way out’
The People’s Daily report, meanwhile, suggested developers such as Hong Kong’s richest man, Li Ka-shing, could have done a lot more to help poor people in the city get affordable housing.

Indeed, the remarks are a sharp rebuke of Li, who made a rare appearance at a monastery in the city last weekend, where he appealed to the government to “allow a way out” for the city’s disenfranchised and dissenting youth.

Li, who is 91 and has a net worth of at least US$40 billion, made comments that were captured on video by visitors at the Buddhist convent. He told people that Hong Kong was in its most precarious moment since World War II and that the protracted turmoil sweeping the city for over three months must be stopped.

He called on young protesters venting their anger on the streets to focus on the big picture and reconcile themselves to reality for the sake of Hong Kong, and urged the government to also allow a way out for the young, saying they will be future leaders of the city.

Li Ka-shing appeals to the government to ‘allow a way out’ for youngsters protesting on the streets. Photo: Facebook

Predictably, the business mogul’s advice – indeed, little more than saying ‘stop it’ – fell on deaf ears as Hong Kong lurched into another day of mass rallies and vandalism.

Li and Lee
Li has been slow to help government moves to alleviate the city’s housing crisis and his lack of action stands out.

Lee Shau-kee – Hong Kong’s second-richest tycoon, who founded Henderson Land Development – has made an effort to escape public ire by token donation of some plots to the government so it could build hostels and rental units for fresh graduates and job-starters.

Tenement blocks flank an alley in Hong Kong’s Mong Kok. The city is infamous for its sky-high property prices and cramped living spaces. Photo: Asia Times

An old public housing estate in Hong Kong’s Kennedy Town. Some flats there are barely bigger than a prison cell. Photo: Asia Times
Li Ka-shing’s ties with Beijing are also on the wane. He has been censured by the Chinese media after his perceived divestment from the mainland and unwinding of his property assets there in 2015, plus recent major corporate purchases in the UK.

The billionaire used to visit Zhongnanhai regularly during Deng Xiaoping’s rule, as well as the presidency of Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao. But he has been shunned by Xi Jinping, who has not met Li one-on-one, and Li’s property arm has not bought land north of the border since 2012, the year Xi came into power.

A file photo of Li with former Chinese President Jiang Zemin. Photo: Handout

Li put ads in several papers in late August condemning violence. But to Beijing, it took Li more than two months to take a stand and pledge allegiance. Photo: Facebook
 
Excessive "economic freedom" and misapplied "human rights freedom" as well as wide absolute disparities between China and Hong Kong are unsurprisingly causing economic and social problems.

Implications that these are problems mainly due to the nature of Hong Kongers are as wrong and delusional as the rioters' claims.

The good thing these protests and riots have done for Hong Kong is that they are illustrating the ineptitude and stagnation of the Hong Kong government leadership and societal elites in looking out for Hong Kongers and leading them to adapt to a changing world.

Not exactly putting HongKongers on a spot as the silent majority are supportive of the government and the police. However, the rioters and to some extent most of their supporters have to be held responsible for the mayhem and unlawfulness. The institutionalization of hatred and disrespect within the educational system is also problematic. Compound this with the judicial system composed almost exclusively of British and Australian Justices are also a problem. One has to wonder if they are performing their duties to protect the public when they release the rioters as fast as the police can catch them. Citizens may have to take law enforcement and judicial actions to help protect their livelihood if this continues.

These are many problems with HK society I see that should take precedence over whatever their demands are. Income inequality is not new to HK and was not brought about by China, it has existed as long as anyone can possibly remember, HK social problem are for HK to resolve and blaming China will not help anyone. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that China step in to fix HK's social problems.

They may have grievances like all of us but we all deal with it. That said, They should still be held accountable for their actions. Blaming the Chinese for the disparity is non-sense considering that they have so much more opportunities than those from mainland and have been beneficiary of the relationship.
 
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In the attachment is a chart of the world's top 10 container ports. The data is from the
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The chart is an indication of Hong Kong's recent performance on the economic front:

Note that Hong Kong became the seventh largest container port in the world last year, handling 19.6 million containers. Just four years earlier, in 2014, it was third, handling 22.23 million containers. The Hong Kongers probably feel the decline.

However, the combination of Hong Kong and Shenzhen would be by far the largest in the world. So this is what I would tell Hong Kongers: your future is still extremely bright if you combine with mainlanders.

(An interesting fact: six of the world's top ten container ports are all in China. That would be seven of ten if we include Hong Kong, and I do. I think I am beginning to understand what Xi Jinping means by the Maritime Silk Roads.)


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