Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

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Wow, I've been busy for a couple of days, and it seems lots has happened, particularly with our friend from the sub-continent. Will go through with it later.

Meanwhile, this video just showed how complex, and inter-related between China, Hong Kong and Taiwan! It is never as simple as the MSM trying to portrait!

Taiwanese come out in support of Hong Kong government and police. So Tsia ying wen got her hands full if she give explict support to the rioters!

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jimmyjames30x30

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Actually your post I replied to is what aligns with your supposed Modern Western (neo-)Liberalism in generalizing and demonizing Chinese (including PRC) culture and history.

This is where you demonstrate your lack of philosophical critical thinking.

First of all, what make something good or bad? Perception makes it good or bad. Therefore, that which perceive things judges its content. Is egalitarianism good? Well, it depends first on the condition whether there exist at least a Human Beings (that which perceives moral things) who is perceiving what "egalitarianism" is. Secondly, it depends upon the Value Systems he/she holds, because that is the standard or method he/she can make a judgement upon said "egalitarianism" in which he/she perceives.

Now, you are saying I am "Demonizing" Chinese/PRC. This must mean that I am making a judgement on Chinese/PRC in which I hold them as in violation of whichever Value System I possesses. Now, explain to me, when did I ever express my own value system (which I use to judge others) in a way that warrant your claim?
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Seriously now since you had previously replied to Equation's post.

Don't get me wrong, there are a quite a number of Christians that are wonderful people and I truly respect them not because they are rich or powerful, beautiful or generous or submissive but because they are truly wonderful people.

Nonetheless, there are the other less benevolent elements in the same community(politicians and voters). The Christian centric Western civilization has seen its power steadily eroded this past 2 decade, they are concerned and are inclined to act and check the rise of a non-christian civilization. The rise of China, no matter how peaceful are events that challenges the established order, their sense of pride(superiority) along with all the associated entitlement. While some of them may condone the peaceful rise of China, but the instinct is to prevent and hinder such an event.

Unfortunately, many Chinese heavily influenced through their faith in HK as well as China are indoctrinated and willingly serving as good Christian soldier to preserve the Christian world order and disrespecting non-conforming views. They have willingly(adults) and unwillingly(children) allowed themselves to be indoctrinated to HATE the PRC and by extension China and Chinese people. Most of them are too young to experience any true oppression, hardship, or injustices. Have you ever wondered why these protestors keep insisting they are not Chinese. They have been indoctrinated to believe that as HKer, they can disassociate themselves from being Chinese although in fact it is not mutually exclusive. This does not just happen and it suggest there was indoctrination and rationalization involved in their thought process.

Nothing inherently wrong with being Christian unless if you willingly surrender yourself, as the bible teaches, for the sake of salvation and allow yourself to become a tool to suppress non-Christian beliefs and way-of life, you have lost your own identity and self-respect. Now how can one respect someone who does not respect themselves.

I've met many westerners openly antagonistic towards Chinese and when they see me at a church event would say something like it's ok you are one of us, meaning we are all Christian. duh.

Going back to your question, the dynamics to hinder China's peaceful rise are deep rooted. It is just blatantly obvious today because we live in a Trumpian world where the modus operandi is preservation of Christian Western Order and entitlements. That is why the religious right supports Trump not because he a TRUE Christian but because they see him as another tool to preserve a predominant Christian-centric order.

Of course there are also many other factors involved but this is one of the major dynamics contributing to the clash of civilization as you mentioned.


First of all, I will need to tell you that I am a lover of civilization, in the Chinese sense. This means that power, longevity, tenaciousness and influence are the fundamental indicators. I don't care about the actual content of the civilizations in its own. To me, they are just nitty-gritty details. This means, I don't care what the content of their respective Value Systems are, I only care about how well they fare.

This means that preaching to me about things like "Egalitarianism", or "Freedom", or "Piety in the only God", or "Respect of Religion" are meaningless. I don't care about these content. These in themselves hold no value to me. What does hold value is how well he/she or those who holds these Values fare in the long run.

This is why no matter how you bash Islam about "persecuting gays", "genital mutilation", "backward", "anti-scientific" and "suppression of minority religions", I still hold Islam as better and stronger than Buddhism, as a civilization. And it is becoming more apparent day by day that Islam is superior to modern Liberalism. I don't even like Islam, give me the power, I would eradicate it. But, to me, it is beautifully powerful, tenacious, determined and persistent: monumentally awe-inspiring.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Actually your post I replied to is what aligns with your supposed Modern Western (neo-)Liberalism in generalizing and demonizing Chinese (including PRC) culture and history.

People like you have a lot of passion, but very little independent thoughts. This is why you are always in the defensive posture, perceiving everyone as hostile to you identity. The reality is, you are both right and wrong. Sure, they are hostile, but they would be hostile to anything that inspires fear in them. Their hostility should inspire confidence in you. You should love and accept what make them fear you.

Your kind are so deeply entrenched with Liberal Values that you are actively seeking to showcase your own identity (Chinese, in your case) in the light that pleases those who held the same Liberal Values. You are desperately showing to them: "see, we Chinese are the same as you, we like the same things, our value systems are the same as yours. You guys value Egalitarianism, Freedom and Democracy, we do too". This is real servitude: ingratiating in order to gain recognition.

I don't ingratiate. I don't care about getting the approval from the West. If they demonize me, I will gladly be the demon that haunts them in their dreams. They can demonize me all they want, in fact, the more they do the better.

What I do care about, is that as a Chinese, I want to make moral decisions independently as a Chinese. As a Chinese, what matter the most to me is whether my actions, my beliefs will appear in the eyes of my Great Ancestors. I care ONLY about their approval. I'd rather fight my last battle to the death as a real Chinese (with every true Chinese-ness), than to live a long life as politically correct "Chinese" approved by whatever the West thinks.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
So the protestors have resorted to making up fake deaths at protests. Gotta name? All that matters is who's side you're on. These protestors are every stereotype I hear whites says of Asians. Liars, cheaters, bias journalism, Chinese fire drill, etc. yet okay just as long as it serves their narrative. There's an article by Quartz whining that police are referring to protestors as cockroaches. All their stereotyping of oppression under a police state and all they have is lying and complaining about name calling.
 

solarz

Brigadier
So the protestors have resorted to making up fake deaths at protests. Gotta name? All that matters is who's side you're on. These protestors are every stereotype I hear whites says of Asians. Liars, cheaters, bias journalism, Chinese fire drill, etc. yet okay just as long as it serves their narrative. There's an article by Quartz whining that police are referring to protestors as cockroaches. All their stereotyping of oppression under a police state and all they have is lying and complaining about name calling.

It's not just the police that are referring to them as cockroaches...
 

Gatekeeper

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I don't know what sort of alternate reality this woman lives in? (I know she is one of the rioters playing up to the cameras).

For those of you don't understand cantonese.:

Basically, she is having a go at the police for shutting down the metro (because of the riots). And she said "she had to walk from central" she then went on to demand someone to pay her cab fare for her journey.

So basically, it is ok for the rioters to inconvient other citzens freedom and movements, but not right for police to stop rioters rioting in the metro!

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solarz

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I don't know what sort of alternate reality this woman lives in? (I know she is one of the rioters playing up to the cameras).

For those of you don't understand cantonese.:

Basically, she is having a go at the police for shutting down the metro (because of the riots). And she said "she had to walk from central" she then went on to demand someone to pay her cab fare for her journey.

So basically, it is ok for the rioters to inconvient other citzens freedom and movements, but not right for police to stop rioters rioting in the metro!

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Princess Syndrome. Seems like a lot of young people in HK have entitlement issues.
 

Gatekeeper

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Good Enough. There are some overlaps but the order are as follows. I would be offended if someone used the word 要 求 to request something they are not entitled to.
demand or ask= 要 求 >> demand or request or ask = 請 求 >> request or ask or beg =
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I supposed it just me. But if any one says please, I tend to think they are being polite and therefore less demanding! I'm not saying I'm right, it just my own upbringing,
 
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