Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

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The news from hong kong just won't stop giving these days! Rejoice.

【《蘋果》玩完了?!總編輯等高層被捕】

《蘋果日報》總編等五高層被捕,涉串謀勾結外國或境外勢力!多家傳媒今日引述消息指,被警方國安處拘捕的包括壹傳媒行政總裁張劍虹、《蘋果日報》總編輯羅偉光、壹傳媒集團營運總裁周達權、《蘋果日報》副社長陳沛敏及蘋果動新聞平台總監張志偉。

逾百名警員今早到將軍澳《蘋果》大樓搜查,被捕5人包括4男1女,年齡介乎47至63歲。他們涉嫌違反國安法第29條「串謀勾結外國或境外勢力危害國家安全罪」。警方亦曾到被捕人的住所進行搜查。

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The news from hong kong just won't stop giving these days! Rejoice.

【《蘋果》玩完了?!總編輯等高層被捕】

《蘋果日報》總編等五高層被捕,涉串謀勾結外國或境外勢力!多家傳媒今日引述消息指,被警方國安處拘捕的包括壹傳媒行政總裁張劍虹、《蘋果日報》總編輯羅偉光、壹傳媒集團營運總裁周達權、《蘋果日報》副社長陳沛敏及蘋果動新聞平台總監張志偉。

逾百名警員今早到將軍澳《蘋果》大樓搜查,被捕5人包括4男1女,年齡介乎47至63歲。他們涉嫌違反國安法第29條「串謀勾結外國或境外勢力危害國家安全罪」。警方亦曾到被捕人的住所進行搜查。

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Law was one of the student leaders of the
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, a protest against Beijing influence in Hong Kong governance, and he founded the political party Demosistō soon afterward. Law left Hong Kong for the United Kingdom in July 2020 after the promulgation of the National Security Law, which is viewed by detractors as legislation that
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. Critics believe that the National People’s Congress issued the legislation in response to the
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, in which protestors demanded universal suffrage. Law was not involved in leading the protest, during which he was studying at Yale University for his master’s degree, and only returned to Hong Kong in March 2020.

“As a non-political, cultural association, CSSA greatly values and adamantly defends freedom of speech and expression on our campus. However, the invitation of Law as a distinguished guest by the Mentor Program not only falls outside the purviews of free speech, but also has been widely perceived as exposing the insensitivities and disrespect that the Harris administration shows towards Chinese students and scholars,” the email from CSSA reads. The authors of the statement also alleged that there had been previous reports of “discriminatory and condescending behavior” by Harris officials toward Chinese students within the association. They warned that Harris’s decision to invite Law to speak has sparked discontent among Chinese international students enrolled in the school.

Law said the email “raises concerns over infiltration from the CCP into the US academics, and the societies in general,” calling for government investigations into CSSAs and their connections with the Chinese state agencies. “Whether [or not] CSSAs have connections with embassies, acting as part of the state agent or as a state organ is a worry among academics and policymakers. You can see the participation of the [Chinese] embassy in their previous events,” he told The Maroon.

CSSA chapters have
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at multiple colleges and universities around the world since the 1970s. The UChicago chapter of CSSA is composed of undergraduate, graduate, and doctoral students, while the 14-member
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consists of 12 undergraduate students and two Harris students. The organization holds cultural and social events such as a Chinese New Year gala, a career fair, and the Graduate China Forum. On special occasions, according to the CSSA executive board, CSSA will “voluntarily seek help from the Chinese consulate in Chicago,” such as when Chinese Ph.D. student Yiran Fan was
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in Chicago and when helping to distribute personal protective equipment that the consulate sent to students and scholars last year.

In another
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posted two days after the original one, Law wrote, “HK activists’ free speech [is] threatened by pro-CCP nationalists, such as CSSAs, which are CCP’s extended arms,” mentioning how CSSA chapters at the University of Pennsylvania and Johns Hopkins University appealed to the administration when he spoke at those universities. In a written comment to The Maroon, Law said, “It’s been an open secret that Chinese and Hong Kong students feel surveilled and are unable to enjoy academic and speech freedom because of the monitoring. This should be addressed by blocking CCP state agents in the schools.”

While some
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pointed to incidents where Chinese government officials worked with CSSAs at U.S. universities on certain events, there is no apparent evidence in media reporting showing that there is an official tie between government agencies and CSSAs around the world. In correspondence with The Maroon, UChicago CSSA’s executive board said that CSSA is not a political organization. “Our preoccupation is not with politics, and we do not adhere to any particular political doctrine. But this does not mean we cannot help our peers express their views to UChicago’s administration,” the board wrote.

In an open letter sent to University President Robert Zimmer, Provost Ka Yee Lee, and the deans of Harris on Monday, May 24, the board wrote that the organization is a registered student organization at the University whose point of contact is the University’s Center for Leadership and Involvement. “We are not under, guided by, or report[ing] to any state agent.”

In response to Law’s tweet, the board reiterated that Law’s accusation of CCP infiltration is “false and unfounded.”

“Mr. Law is a political activist with vast resources and a clear political agenda. We are a student organization at the University of Chicago that holds cultural galas and invites people for mooncake tastings. We are now expressing concerns by our fellow Chinese students and asking for our views to be presented equally. But by falsely presenting us as some official political organization, Law is in effect suppressing our legitimate concerns. The students at Harris who first spoke up and self-organized at first now feel threatened and feel that their voices are being suppressed by someone who has much more resources and is much more powerful than them,” the board wrote.

According to the board, it first received the reports of student concerns over Law’s presence from a group of Harris students, who contacted both CSSA and Jeremy Edwards, the senior associate dean of professional and career development at Harris. On Thursday, May 20, one day after the event, Harris held an “open dialogue session” for Harris students interested in engaging further with the topic.

“However, this was only a discussion among students. A fair debate with Nathan Law where our position could be stated was not arranged,” the board wrote in the open letter. The board called for an open discussion on the topic “whereby opposing views could be presented in an equal manner so as to eliminate any bias and misrepresentation,” citing the planned
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between former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon and Booth professor Austan Goolsbee in 2018.

CSSA had not received an official response from Harris.

McSwiggan noted the University's commitment to free expression in upholding the rights of both event speakers and students protesting the event to express their views. “No individual speaker, student, or student group speaks for Harris or the University as a whole,” he wrote.

At the end of his original Twitter thread, Law wrote, “The false statements in the emails to the University of Chicago and the messages [关于今晚Mentor Program讲座的立场声明以及中国学生呼吁 (translated, “Statement Regarding Tonight’s Mentor Program Guest Series and Demand of Chinese Students”)] circulated widely in the WeChat groups are defamatory. I reserve all my legal rights in this matter.” According to a Harris student in the group chat, the mentioned messages were not posted to the WeChat group chat of Harris Chinese students, nor did CSSA post them on social media.
Tbf, US consulates aren't buildings filled with good fairies. They make out-reaches to forces within the immediate society that services their interests.

I say Chinese embassy must step up their game more. Not just Chinese students but anything floats if it services China's interests. I'm also glad to see the unity of Chinese students in a foreign country. Commendable.
 

Xizor

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Have there been any steps taken, after the passing HK CN NSA, to look into the academic syllabus and teaching methods employed in certain religion oriented schools in HK, China by the CCP? @Gatekeeper

I expect it to be quite tough since it might go against the "freedoms" of HK Special zone. No country accepts anything like HK in this day and age. China must fully neutralize this region.
 

crash8pilot

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Have there been any steps taken, after the passing HK CN NSA, to look into the academic syllabus and teaching methods employed in certain religion oriented schools in HK, China by the CCP? @Gatekeeper

I expect it to be quite tough since it might go against the "freedoms" of HK Special zone. No country accepts anything like HK in this day and age. China must fully neutralize this region.
Not all religious schools are anti-CCP zealots. I graduated from a local Christian school and a good bunch of my teachers were pro-establishment. In fact my school's board of trustees as well as the alumni association published a letter (might I also add made the
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, if any of you are interested in giving it a read) to denounce/discourage any sort of protests by the student body and the faculty base.

I'm sure @Gatekeeper will do a much more elegant job than I will answering your question, but based on my understanding education reforms to reinforce national education (what we in Hong Kong call 国民教育) will be part of the NSL law. I believe some of the legislation has already started to take root (
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).

To be fair we covered bits of national education back in my school days - I can't recall the exact wording on top of my head, but I distinctly remember the Education Bureau encouraging schools to place an emphasis on national education.... but I'm pretty sure there wasn't any sort of written law (or at least the sort I'd expect now with the NSL). Our school did our part by including flag-raising ceremonies at likes sports days, swimming galas, as well as when we were close to national holidays (PRC founding day, SAR establishment day etc). I took history and economics for my O-Levels... and while my history teacher wasn't exactly a fan of the CCP when we were covering the Cold War and modern history, but he did stick to the script without giving us too much of a piece of his mind. My economics teacher frankly did a a pretty good job explaining the benefits of an economy that shares mixed control between the state and the market. Our school also had a language policy where we were supposed (barely anyone followed lol) to speak Mandarin or English on campus outside the classroom.
 
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Xizor

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Not all religious schools are anti-CCP zealots. I graduated from a local Christian school and a good bunch of my teachers were pro-establishment. In fact my school's board of trustees as well as the alumni association published a letter (might I also add made the
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, if any of you are interested in giving it a read) to denounce/discourage any sort of protests by the student body and the faculty base.

I'm sure @Gatekeeper will do a much more elegant job than I will answering your question, but based on my understanding education reforms to reinforce national education (what we in Hong Kong call 国民教育) will be part of the NSL law. I believe some of the legislation has already started to take root (
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).

To be fair we covered bits of national education back in my school days - I can't recall the exact wording on top of my head, but I distinctly remember the Education Bureau encouraging schools to place an emphasis on national education.... but I'm pretty sure there wasn't any sort of written law (or at least the sort I'd expect now with the NSL). Our school did our part by including flag-raising ceremonies at likes sports days, swimming galas, as well as when we were close to national holidays (PRC founding day, SAR establishment day etc). I took history and economics for my O-Levels... and while my history teacher wasn't exactly a fan of the CCP when we were covering the Cold War and modern history, but he did stick to the script without giving us too much of a piece of his mind. My economics teacher frankly did a a pretty good job explaining the benefits of an economy that shares mixed control between the state and the market. Our school also had a language policy where we were supposed (barely anyone followed lol) to speak Mandarin or English on campus outside the classroom.
Very Interesting and informative read.

But judging by the size of the protests back in 2019, shall I go out on a limp and assume that schools like yours are sadly but a minority among its bunch?

It does seem like so. I certainly hope schools like yours are more prevalent but the numbers at the last protest isn't a good look.
 

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Very Interesting and informative read.

But judging by the size of the protests back in 2019, shall I go out on a limp and assume that schools like yours are sadly but a minority among its bunch?

It does seem like so. I certainly hope schools like yours are more prevalent but the numbers at the last protest isn't a good look.
Without sounding like too much of a pretentious snob, I went to a highly ranked prestigious school... what we in Hong Kong term Band 1 schools. I know for a fact many Band 1 schools (a lot of them Christian or Catholic too) share similar pro-establishment sentiments. Fun fact: our school made us recite the Lord's Prayer in Mandarin during morning assembly. Footage of schools doing dumb shit on campus typically fall into Bands 2 and 3 (my mom affectionately terms them 野雞中學/野鸡高中).

Coming from an upper-middle class family and subpar academic standing, I had no business attending a Band 1 school. I was more of an exception than the norm compared to my classmates. A typical Band 1 student either comes from a family that's involved in politics and high levels of business (humble brag - I was classmates with the former Chief Executive's daughter), or through actual academic merit. To get far in business and politics (or society for that fact) usually requires pro-establishment views... that said one of my best friends from back in the day, well her mother was a LegCo member that is representing Jimmy Lai in court. That's more the exception than the norm, my point being the student body typically is pro-establishment through family upbringing or academic/professional ambition (case and point someone from my year made it into Tsinghua).

There are about 100 Band 1 schools in Hong Kong.... I can't attest to all 100 of them to be pro-establishment or at least overtly anti-CPC, however I can count 12 schools on top of my head (3 of them have multiple campuses across Hong Kong) that are considered crème de la crème of Band 1 schools, and share similar views to my own school. Not only do these 12 schools typically produce the best DSE (equivalent to O-Levels or 高考) results as well as top-university placements every year, there are certain "expectations" when someone back home hears you graduated from one of these schools. At the very least if we had anti-establishment views, we were expected to not run our mouths slagging off the government in public (I say public because I still have "friends" that post dumb shit on social media). These kinds of schools were the measuring stick to which I was compared to back in the day, so I don't have enough social interaction to know what other Band 1 schools "below" us were like... although I can't imagine they'd be too radically different than us. I suppose 12 does sound like a minority, but looking across people from my graduating year (for reference I graduated a decade ago) and well many of my peers are climbing up the social ladder back home rather than causing trouble on the streets.
 

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appledaily should be put out of business, after of decades of stalking HK entertainers and singers.
While anyone with the least bit of knowledge and shred of Chinese literacy knows that Apple Daily is best known for naked telephoto shots, this is what the Washington Post says

APPLE DAILY was always at the cutting edge of what was permissible in Hong Kong after the territory passed from Britain to Chinese control in 1997

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weig2000

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Without sounding like too much of a pretentious snob, I went to a highly ranked prestigious school... what we in Hong Kong term Band 1 schools. I know for a fact many Band 1 schools (a lot of them Christian or Catholic too) share similar pro-establishment sentiments. Fun fact: our school made us recite the Lord's Prayer in Mandarin during morning assembly. Footage of schools doing dumb shit on campus typically fall into Bands 2 and 3 (my mom affectionately terms them 野雞中學/野鸡高中).

Coming from an upper-middle class family and subpar academic standing, I had no business attending a Band 1 school. I was more of an exception than the norm compared to my classmates. A typical Band 1 student either comes from a family that's involved in politics and high levels of business (humble brag - I was classmates with the former Chief Executive's daughter), or through actual academic merit. To get far in business and politics (or society for that fact) usually requires pro-establishment views... that said one of my best friends from back in the day, well her mother was a LegCo member that is representing Jimmy Lai in court. That's more the exception than the norm, my point being the student body typically is pro-establishment through family upbringing or academic/professional ambition (case and point someone from my year made it into Tsinghua).

There are about 100 Band 1 schools in Hong Kong.... I can't attest to all 100 of them to be pro-establishment or at least overtly anti-CPC, however I can count 12 schools on top of my head (3 of them have multiple campuses across Hong Kong) that are considered crème de la crème of Band 1 schools, and share similar views to my own school. Not only do these 12 schools typically produce the best DSE (equivalent to O-Levels or 高考) results as well as top-university placements every year, there are certain "expectations" when someone back home hears you graduated from one of these schools. At the very least if we had anti-establishment views, we were expected to not run our mouths slagging off the government in public (I say public because I still have "friends" that post dumb shit on social media). These kinds of schools were the measuring stick to which I was compared to back in the day, so I don't have enough social interaction to know what other Band 1 schools "below" us were like... although I can't imagine they'd be too radically different than us. I suppose 12 does sound like a minority, but looking across people from my graduating year (for reference I graduated a decade ago) and well many of my peers are climbing up the social ladder back home rather than causing trouble on the streets.

Thanks for sharing the experience and insights. I have to say this is quite different from my perception (that elite schools in HK are pro-establishment and probably not anti-CCP).

Media, legal and education professions in HK in my views are deeply entrenched by the anti-CCP and/or anti-establishment camps. These are the areas that are difficult to shift in the short term. It'll take decades if not generations to turn around. In comparison, passing and even implementing NSL are easy.

HK's unique value is being a place with deep and extensive connections with the Western world (business, professional, cultural or even sentimental) while solidly rooted in China. China doesn't necessarily need another first-tier city. These would ultimately be embodied in people who can bridge the gaps between the East and West. In the first two decades since returning to China, it has struggled to strike the right balance. And the room to maneuver has been squeezed.

Hong Kong can still pivot and transform itself. It should depoliticize so as not to catch too much attention from Beijing and the West, and position itself more as the business, financial, trade and tourist centers of Asia if not the world.
 
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