Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper said:

I'm not sure how this national security law works for "foreigners". Now Jimmy Lai, though born Chinese, is in fact a foreigner. (I thought it's Canadian, but others say it's U.K.). Either way, if he is a foreign national, could he be try for spying? Or other laws that relates to foreigners. Unfortunately, that means we can't try him for treason.

Anyway, if he is legally a foreigner. Then shouldn't his nation's government be protesting? Like they go every time when one of their spies get caught and locked up? (Like Canadian did with regards to Meng). Or Brits did to the British Iranian women over in Iran?

There silence is telling. This Jimmy Lai is expendable after all.

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I don't know what kind of British passport he hold. But regardless, in front of China's legal system, he is not "legally" a foreigner.

1. I did not dig too deep, but according to Wikipedia ha is UK national and Chinese (HK) "national". Since China does not legally recognize dual citizenship, his UK nationality is void. This will prevent him from British consulate involvement. Since the beginning of charges against him, no UK consulate involvement was reported, it means that his so-called UK nationality is just nothing.
2. Another example is similar case is Huseyincan Celil who holds a Canadian passport. Canada tried but was denied getting involved when he was arrested in Uzbekistan and extradited to China on charges of terrorism. China told Canada that he was and still is a Chinese national. His Canadian "citizenship" is void because according to Chinese Nationality Law, a person taking on citizenship of another country is obliged to notify Chinese authority to relinquish his/her Chinese citizenship. That means taking up Canadian passport does not take away Chinese jurisdiction, while China can strip his Chinese citizenship after he has served his terms in prison and then expel him to Canada.

Litebreeze said:

Back to jail! That's it, Jimmy Lai is back to jail!

"The judge of the Court of Final Appeal finally granted the permission for Jimmy Lai to be remanded in custody until 1st February pending trial."​

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For the right reasons!

"If Jimmy Lai absconds or commits a repeat offence during bail, it will cause unbearable harm to society."​

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"Article 42 of the National Security Law states that unless the judge has sufficient reason to believe that the defendant will not continue to commit acts endangering national security, he shall not be granted bail."​

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Good way to end this year, better start for next year.
Good job judge!

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Just before this turning of event. People Daily published an article which asked


It reminded the HK court and Judges that according to article 55 of National Security Law:

1. The HKSAR National Security Agency (驻香港) is an agency of Central Government, not part of HK.
2. The agency can take over the jurisdiction of cases like "Jemmy Lei" at its own will without going through HKSAR government. The word 或 (or) puts HKSAR government and the Agency on the same level in this case.

Basically, the central government is saying "if you don't do it, I will do it for you, and from now on, you will have no power left in your hands". It is a veiled threat of totally overhauling the HK court system and purging the judges.

Litebreeze said:

Yep, but that shows their hypocrisy, also showing they could be planning for next chaos.

I hope by now hk people acknowledge already of what really was hk riot all about. Its actually color revolution. Their target is to topple the gov, like what happened Ukraine and else where. It's still in the making in Thailand, hopefully Thai people realize and make it fair too.

In HK, prop the have to be aware of any kind of foreign missions veiled in various NGOs, like FLG. Don't let them sprout and don't let them gain members.

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A colour revolution? Well, you know that, I know that, and most of the members here knows that. And truth be told, so does all the thugs in Hong Kong.

It just the MSM wrapped it up like all the other colour revolutions as cries for "democracy and freedom". So most of the populace in the west are quite ignorant of this. And bought the MSM narratives hook line and sinker.

And the least we forget, the Hong Kong business started when trump is trying to push the buttons on everything to get China to fold to his wishes. Chernobyl moment indeed.

taxiya said:

I don't know what kind of British passport he hold. But regardless, in front of China's legal system, he is not "legally" a foreigner.

1. I did not dig too deep, but according to Wikipedia ha is UK national and Chinese (HK) "national". Since China does not legally recognize dual citizenship, his UK nationality is void. This will prevent him from British consulate involvement. Since the beginning of charges against him, no UK consulate involvement was reported, it means that his so-called UK nationality is just nothing.
2. Another example is similar case is Huseyincan Celil who holds a Canadian passport. Canada tried but was denied getting involved when he was arrested in Uzbekistan and extradited to China on charges of terrorism. China told Canada that he was and still is a Chinese national. His Canadian "citizenship" is void because according to Chinese Nationality Law, a person taking on citizenship of another country is obliged to notify Chinese authority to relinquish his/her Chinese citizenship. That means taking up Canadian passport does not take away Chinese jurisdiction, while China can strip his Chinese citizenship after he has served his terms in prison and then expel him to Canada.

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Thanks. That's quite clear. Except...

I'm still not sure if he has Canadian citizenship. I know wiki says he holds British passport. It just in the back of my mind, I've read somewhere he obtained Canadian citizenship through money emigration. (But he could have done that in Britain as well I guess).

What ever, he definately obtained FULL citizenship through money and wealth (none of your BNO rubbish). And of course, as we know, the western country would welcome anyone with money. (Anyone else, they can kiss their ass).

In any case, since he hasn't rennouce his Chinese citizenship, China therefore do not recognised his "other nationality" status meaning he could be trial for treason. Result! Let's rejoice.

Wait... I still haven't renounce mine Chinese citizenship. That mean I'm still Chinese citizen even though I hold a foreign passport. Yeah!

Off topic here. For any people here born in Hong Kong, or are Hong Kong ID card holders. Just a gentle reminder you have up to end of March to claim your HK $10,000 (about US$ 1,000). Hurry, don't miss out.

taxiya said:

Just before this turning of event. People Daily published an article which asked

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It reminded the HK court and Judges that according to article 55 of National Security Law:

1. The HKSAR National Security Agency (驻香港) is an agency of Central Government, not part of HK.
2. The agency can take over the jurisdiction of cases like "Jemmy Lei" at its own will without going through HKSAR government. The word 或 (or) puts HKSAR government and the Agency on the same level in this case.

Basically, the central government is saying "if you don't do it, I will do it for you, and from now on, you will have no power left in your hands". It is a veiled threat of totally overhauling the HK court system and purging the judges.

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@Litebreeze

Here's the answer to all your worries.

Where's the outrage from all the democracy lovers from hongkong

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Where's the outrage from all the democracy lovers from hongkong

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Not just Hong kong. The hypocritical west as well. This is where I always say that India and Saudis could get away with mass murder as far as the west is concern.

Gatekeeper said:

@Litebreeze

Here's the answer to all your worries.

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Actually he's only part of the problem as well as NSL is also part of the solution. The other part is the HK citizen. The brainwashing and propaganda for generations are deep. The whole population should wake up to this. I do believe big part of the population has already awaken, but not all. Some of those rioters are still lying dormant waiting for chance to strike. Usually waiting or actively manufacturing events that could be used to carry their agenda. To this, HK people should be aware all the time.

If you notice, just after HK riot, Bangkok demonstration started. How could those students in Bangkok not learned from what happened in HK. This is to show there are these kind of group in a lot of countries where there exists their tentacles of NGOs, or maybe their embassies.

Gatekeeper said:

Thanks. That's quite clear. Except...

I'm still not sure if he has Canadian citizenship. I know wiki says he holds British passport. It just in the back of my mind, I've read somewhere he obtained Canadian citizenship through money emigration. (But he could have done that in Britain as well I guess).

What ever, he definately obtained FULL citizenship through money and wealth (none of your BNO rubbish). And of course, as we know, the western country would welcome anyone with money. (Anyone else, they can kiss their ass).

In any case, since he hasn't rennouce his Chinese citizenship, China therefore do not recognised his "other nationality" status meaning he could be trial for treason. Result! Let's rejoice.

Wait... I still haven't renounce mine Chinese citizenship. That mean I'm still Chinese citizen even though I hold a foreign passport. Yeah!

Off topic here. For any people here born in Hong Kong, or are Hong Kong ID card holders. Just a gentle reminder you have up to end of March to claim your HK $10,000 (about US$ 1,000). Hurry, don't miss out.

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Hmmm this could be useful to someone I know. How does one go about claiming it, thanks?

B.I.B. said:

Hmmm this could be useful to someone I know. How does one go about claiming it, thanks?

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Well I claimed the last one a few years back. It was only £600 then. To qualify, you must be born in hk or have a current hk IS card. You'll need HK ID card number. Is a must. We also had to open a bank of China account and paid £50 admin fee. The account is residing in Hong Kong. (So the money is in Hong Kong unless you transfer it out to your account in your country). I keep mine as it is useful when ever I return to Hong Kong. (I had one years ago, but every year bank charges reduces my money. So I closed it. This bank of China account don't apply bank charges if there is more than £500 in balance.)

My sisters decided to go back to Hong Kong and claim it as it was easier, but the tax rebate of £600 wiped out by the plane fare. But as there said, they were treating it as a free holiday.

Anyway, my sisters are doing it tomorrow online. And they will let me know how they get on. I'll see how I get on and private message you. Your friends can get online too for info. I think it's under HK government website.