Hong-Kong Protests

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Only people born before 97 are eligible for BNO passports. So unfortunately not much of the trash would be able to even go since the overwhelming majority are not old enough to have ever known British rule.

Perhaps Beijing would be less resistant if the British actually offered to take the real trash, but as it is, this offer is just an empty gesture for cheap political points, as very few of the people eligible would likely even want to go. Not even the Boris government is that stupid to actually offer the rioters a free ride to come to the UK where they will be nothing but a drain on the UK’s already struggling economy and massively underwater public finances.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
I'm sorry to disappoint you SimaQian but the HK people moving to the UK are unlikely to face racism and from all polls are probably going to receive a warm welcome.

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Britain is one of the least racist countries in Europe despite Brexit, according to a new study.

Prejudice against immigrants in the UK is “rare” and comparable with that in other wealthy EU and largely English-speaking nations, according to analysis of the largest public European and international surveys of human beliefs and values.

as it is, this offer is just an empty gesture for cheap political points

Almost 3 million people are eligible for the BNO passport. The settlement scheme also includes dependents of BNO passport holders, not just adults with one. So it covers the vast majority of the HK population. So I'm not sure how that's an empty gesture.

Besides, any of the adult protesters between 18 and 23 could probably get asylum in the UK, continental Europe, North America, Australasia, etc if they wanted it.
 

Nobonita Barua

Senior Member
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I'm sorry to disappoint you SimaQian but the HK people moving to the UK are unlikely to face racism and from all polls are probably going to receive a warm welcome.

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Almost 3 million people are eligible for the BNO passport, so I'm not sure how that's an empty gesture. The settlement scheme also includes dependents of BNO passport holders, not just adults with one.

We know.
Guaido would receive same warm welcome too.

However, this welcome will only last as long as the political interest last, you can bet on that :cool:
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I'm sorry to disappoint you SimaQian but the HK people moving to the UK are unlikely to face racism and from all polls are probably going to receive a warm welcome.
Unlikely to face racism???
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Sorry to disappoint you but you really have no idea what you're talking about at all. You're just imagining the Asian experience likely from a Caucasian perspective. They might not all be spat on or punched (and that's probably good enough as far as you're concerned), but I guarantee that every single one will experience racism although some may swallow it and pretend not to notice. They'll receive a "warm welcome" like a shivering homeless person begging for refuge from the rain/cold, not as a respectable equal and even that welcome will wear out in time. This is, however, not a dig at the UK; the only place where anyone is unlikely to experience racism is in his/her own country.
 
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Tyler

Captain
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I'm sorry to disappoint you SimaQian but the HK people moving to the UK are unlikely to face racism and from all polls are probably going to receive a warm welcome.

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Almost 3 million people are eligible for the BNO passport. The settlement scheme also includes dependents of BNO passport holders, not just adults with one. So it covers the vast majority of the HK population. So I'm not sure how that's an empty gesture.

Besides, any of the adult protesters between 18 and 23 could probably get asylum in the UK, continental Europe, North America, Australasia, etc if they wanted it.
They are not interested in UK anyway.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Guys. I know definately Mr T is a white guy. Because he claimed to be from the UK. Yet he never experienced any racism in the UK.

He comes out with the rubbish survey when all the respondent have yet experienced massive influx of immigrants. The real poll is the one that when these Hong Kong scums come knocking at the door. You will soon see how quickly the draw bridge get pulled up.

As wolfie said. It is purely political stunt !
 

daifo

Captain
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Wasn't Brexit 50% about nativism and keeping those non-Anglo out? I am sure these polls showed the kind folks were supporting of Syrian / Iraqi freedom fighters but not to happy when they arrived as refugees.

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Seems like the public are very supportive of the measures.



Oh my God, an Asian person experienced racism? Wow, that must have been the first time it ever happened anywhere in the world.
 

supersnoop

Major
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The central assessment of the economic net impact of the arrivals is a positive boost to the UK economy of between £2.4bn and £2.9bn over five years with the majority of this in the form of additional tax collected by the exchequer.

As mentioned by @plawolf, they want easy money. Especially with the Pandemic and Brexit economic issues.

Let's face it, there is no downside.
1. You get to look tough on China, standing up for HK without actually doing anything. You don't need to fight. Hot air is free.
2. If people come, then it is likely they have immigration means/money. The poor are too poor to move as the UK government is not providing any social support.

However, its all made up numbers anyway. Majority of the good earners in HK work in the financial industry. I'm going to assume they are going to stay in HK for the following reasons.
- They have the means already
- If they were so political, they wouldn't sully themselves with "China money", which is what the majority of the money in HK is.
- There is almost zero-upside. You would uproot your family and further negatively impact their quality of life by reducing earning potential.

The hope would be to get upper middle earners who are willing to take a cut in their earnings, but some of the tradeoffs (access to higher education, better English skills) for their family are worth it. In HK it is both difficult to get good secondary and post-secondary education without a lot of money. However, since there are no jobs for these people in UK right now, again they are unlikely to go.

Now referring to @horse's post. These are the same push/pull factors working for the Canadians in HK. Although Canada has better pull than UK because the cost of living is lower overall and better overall environment (Fresh air factor). Anecdotally (and some limited statistics) are showing that many HK-Canadians from the handover period, came to Canada (had kids, or brought young kids), then went back or the kids went back (mainly for better earning potential thanks to the Chinese economy), then are coming back again (free healthcare or the family factors above).

Is racism a factor? It always will be. However, it is my honest opinion that it would not be the deciding factor for anyone.

That being said, pretending that you will get "a warm welcome" is laughable. We see with Covid the absolute garbage that is floating to the surface now. So many articles about "bat soup", "dirty Chinese markets" really tells you that the racism is still very mainstream. The latest science is showing that the Wuhan market did not play much of a role if at all in the spread of Covid. Yet the Australian government still pushed for an investigation specifically aimed at China. This is a geopolitical move first, but you don't need a PhD to know that Chinese-Australians (immigrants or born jus soli) are going to be collateral damage. This is the textbook definition of institutional racism.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
That's passive aggressive when the British use Trump verbiage to claim to be "one of the least racist".

The British want to be credited for stopping slavery without a war to do it in their own country. Yeah a murderer who goes on a murdering spree should be rewarded because one day he decided to stop killing people. That shows character. Twisted.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
I see the "offer of BNO UK residence" as a good thing. It is a good reason/trigger/excuse to finally and once for all kill the BNO passport non-sense. What is it really? BNO is NOT a national passport that proves citizenship which is the only legal status of a person on this planet. At best it is a pre-fabricated thick and better looking supersized visa stamp. Even serving the purpose of a visa it is redundant (in other words useless) because barriers of PRC HK passport are visa-free as before.

I was always against such thing as BNO which is just last cover of face by the former colonial power to preserve sort of lingering "great" image after shrunk back to the island.

Now, it is finally over. Anybody leaving with a BNO paper will be legally barred to enter HK.
 
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