Hong-Kong Protests

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supersnoop

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Back relating to HK. Talking about the coronavirus.

Here is a BBC article talking about the mass testing happening in HK
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Hong Kong embarks on mass Covid testing amid criticism
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Criticism by who? Joshua Wong of course. What a joke. This guy is not a doctor, never even went to post-secondary education and he's quoted as he has some kind of legitimacy as a "prominent pro-democracy activist".

Also the "Hospital Authority Employees Alliance", which is a political organization, not a health one.

Meanwhile, an actual doctor Scott Atlas is being roundly criticized in American media for allegedly pushing a failed immunity strategy

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Why is the bar set so low for China experts, but so high on American experts? Why is the Covid-19 information still being weaponized?
We can see the consequences in America when Covid is used as a political token, thousands die.

Luckily, it seems that the bait is not being taken:
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Also just to add:
Those of you who think Joshua Vuong should be locked up. Think of it this way. His freedom is proof of the media lies. What crackdown? Jimmy Lie is free on bail, what failure of rule of law?

Sadly, as I mentioned, pretty much these articles are fodder for the domestic audiences of western countries to criticize China and have an easy target to deflect to when needed.
 
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supersnoop

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Feel free to cross-post this with the Corona thread

This really ticks me off. As I said, it is a matter of life (and livelihoods), not politics
As pointed out above, that idiot "Dr." Joshua Wong is trying to discourage widespread corona testing in HK. This is solely for his (and his masters') own political games. This is sociopathic behaviour.

Here is an op-ed piece from a former NIH
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Like other scientists and public health experts,
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that more asymptomatic people, not fewer, need to be tested to bring the pandemic under control.
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galvatron

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supersnoop said:
Back relating to HK. Talking about the coronavirus.

Here is a BBC article talking about the mass testing happening in HK
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Criticism by who? Joshua Wong of course. What a joke. This guy is not a doctor, never even went to post-secondary education and he's quoted as he has some kind of legitimacy as a "prominent pro-democracy activist".

Also the "Hospital Authority Employees Alliance", which is a political organization, not a health one.

Meanwhile, an actual doctor Scott Atlas is being roundly criticized in American media for allegedly pushing a failed immunity strategy

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Why is the bar set so low for China experts, but so high on American experts? Why is the Covid-19 information still being weaponized?
We can see the consequences in America when Covid is used as a political token, thousands die.

Luckily, it seems that the bait is not being taken:
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Also just to add:
Those of you who think Joshua Vuong should be locked up. Think of it this way. His freedom is proof of the media lies. What crackdown? Jimmy Lie is free on bail, what failure of rule of law?

Sadly, as I mentioned, pretty much these articles are fodder for the domestic audiences of western countries to criticize China and have an easy target to deflect to when needed.
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At the beginning of the epidemic, this so-called Hospital Authority Employees Alliance threatened to go on strike in Hong Kong, if the government did not shut off the border with mainland China. This was clearly a political move, not a medical.

When Italy, Spain and other parts of Europe experienced big outbreaks, these people just kept quiet, without calling for travel bans from Europe. Then when the US experienced big outbreaks, again these people just shut up.

It turned out that hundreds of Hong Kong students studying in Europe and the US were tested positive as they escaped back to Hong Kong. That was a big slap on their faces, as the number of imported cases from mainland China were extremely low, compared with the hundreds of cases imported from Europe and the US.
 
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Dolcevita

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supersnoop said:
That article is an interesting study in influence peddling. Although Mongolia and Xinjiang is a little off-topic, it still relates back to HK.

It is a little scary that in the age of outrage over fake news, that self-described legitimate outlets still wield with such little regard to the consequences.

Nothing stands out as factually incorrect, but the article is more innuendo than news.
1. The opening photograph is of a protest in Mongolia (not Inner Mongolia, China). Not even in the right country.

2. Quoted sources: Radio Free Asia, Southern Mongolian Human Rights Information Center, a single Mongolian person secondhand from AFP, Inner Mongolian People's Party. 3/4 of these are obviously biased sources. The fact that the only "on-the-ground" quotation is secondhand shows that there is zero original reporting.

3. Anecdotes presented as strong evidence such as: "Images of women applying their fingerprints or adding their signatures to petitions against the move were also widely circulated on social media."
Probably referring to the post from the NYT article:
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by Twitter user "Ungerni Khooloi".
Who is this guy? Another Tsung Kung-gan?

Furthermore, how is the quote of "forcing Chinese language" not dismissed as nonsense? That is like saying the United States "forces" English language on people of non-English descent (Not exactly a widely held view).

4. This quote is one of the most problematic:

Assimilation of Mongolians (and many of the ethnic minorities) is ignoring literally hundreds of years of history! It was Kublai Khan himself who assimilated himself into Chinese culture to assert his authority over "China". Obviously there are policies to promote assimilation, but it is literally nothing new.

What we forget about Cold War information warfare is that the Iron Curtain worked both ways. You have dissidents that suffered, but they became the only voice. Since people are not freely travelling, there is no counterpoint to the dissenting voice. You can see above, that the articles are staring to cite themselves circularly.

I see the exact same thing happening with the Xinjiang reporting. Almost every news article talks about forced sterilization. Some other news source might quote BBC. You will find that BBC quotes AP. Another news source might quote both AP and BBC, even though it is basically the same. I've tried to trace sources and it seems to all go back to a single source, Adrian Zenz. This guy believes his work is a "God-given mission"! We should be living in the age of reason, but the news is quoting a religious zealot? Pretty much like quoting Iranian clerics on articles about America.

Even though today people can travel freely, the reality is most people don't go very far. As such, this form of influence is still very much useful.

Take this as you may. I was reading an article on China's response to the coronavirus, and there was a comment that said "How can you believe China's numbers?", the author actually responded, "Even if China's response was not as effective as they claim, we can see what is happening in America right now. With such a huge population, it would be impossible for China to hide a disaster on the scale of of America". This is just a modicum of critical thinking, but people don't even bother.
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The sad and hypocritical truth is that the NYT, along with many MSM outlet, regularly run fact-checks on all sort of topics except when they become the purveyor of the falsehood. They also collude with each other to avoid fact-checking each other on any of their china-related falsehood. It is another affirmation on their propagandist intent.
 
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Dolcevita said:
The sad and hypocritical truth is that the NYT, along with many MSM outlet, regularly run fact-checks on all sort of topics except when they become the purveyor of the falsehood. They also collude with each other to avoid fact-checking each other on any of their china-related falsehood. It is another affirmation on their propagandist intent.
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I honestly wonder how long they are going to be able to do this when the election comes by, then anything to do with China will become old news.
 
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Do you think this makes Hong Kong activists think about it? This is not suppose to happen in a Democratic society that valued human rights. No, Hong Kongers won't think twice about it because it has never been about embracing human rights and democracy. They're just fronts to cover-up that they're no different from the very thing they say they're fighting against. So what's the factor that they think makes the difference?

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I remember back in the 90s, a US network news show did a little town hall type of gathering with white, black, Latino and Asian American groups. I forgot how they came up with this group experiment but in the end, the Latinos were gathered together crying because they were found out to be the most disenfranchised group in this little experiment in regards to a number of factors including like wealth, education, political power, social attention, etc. What a difference a couple of decades make?

Demi Lovato thinks she's white so she feels guilty for what her skin-color has done to black people...? It's like singer Camila Cabello and her past Twitter ghosts coming back to haunt her. She had some nasty things to say about everyone except whites and Cubans. She even insulted Mexicans. Guess what, Camila? You look like a Mexican. You too, Ms. Lovato. I'm not suggesting Latinos only do this. I once got into an argument with a friend who was African-American on whose race sucked up to white people the most. We were arguing that our own race was the most guilty culprit. In the end we both laughed because we recognized the problem was that we all have a bunch of dummies in every race who delusionally think they're white. Get the whites that like them the most and every one of them will say they ain't white because as they have displayed, being white is a unique privilege hence why they want to identify as being white. That automatically means also they think others deserve less in this world and they deserve more because why would anyone argue how they're more white unless that was the case.

Hong Kongers, you ain't white no matter how deluded you think you are. If you go by Western science which you're suppose to embrace more, there are only three races anthropologically that exist... Caucazoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. That means you're not white. You're as different from being white as an African. Far East Asians are a three-strike race. Three strikes means you're out. The people around the world who have three strikes are the groups and countries the US sees as their enemies. What are the three strikes? First strike is you're not white. Second strike is you're not Christian. Third strike is you're not Western. You can debate if you're Christian or Western but you can never argue you're white. So guess which group can have no strikes against them hence deserve more than everyone else. They're all factors in how much control and power they have. The more strikes you have against you means the less you deserve in this world. Three strikes also means you're a threat to their power in this world and you will never be allowed to rise if they can help it.
 
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I think that the Hong Kong police need to get in the gym, this guy falls over when a smaller woman tries to push past him out the door. He's clearly lacking any strength in his lower body.

I mean, that has to be the only logical conclusion. The idea that he deliberately fell over to claim he was "assaulted" by the woman is obviously not true.
 
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The US justice system is really broken if the plea deal was actually offered. It grants too much freedom to the prosecutor office to fabricate evidence to corrupt the judicial system. It was systemic race-based effort to justify shooting of Breonna Taylor and exonerate the offending officer.

In some more progressive criminal justice system, the plea deal even if accepted cannot be used as evidence in the defense of the offending officers since it was obtained under duress. Not in the US though, the systemic racism in the criminal justice system is too rampant to discount this possibility.
 
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galvatron said:
At the beginning of the epidemic, this so-called Hospital Authority Employees Alliance threatened to go on strike in Hong Kong, if the government did not shut off the border with mainland China. This was clearly a political move, not a medical.

When Italy, Spain and other parts of Europe experienced big outbreaks, these people just kept quiet, without calling for travel bans from Europe. Then when the US experienced big outbreaks, again these people just shut up.

It turned out that hundreds of Hong Kong students studying in Europe and the US were tested positive as they escaped back to Hong Kong. That was a big slap on their faces, as the number of imported cases from mainland China were extremely low, compared with the hundreds of cases imported from Europe and the US.
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I made a post in the coronathread, regarding Canadian cases. Similar data was found. Contract tracing showed that only something like 5 cases in the whole country could directly be traced to China. Furthermore, the Chinese community had routinely shown the lowest numbers of infections in Toronto.

I also noted that I did not hear for calls for bans from Italy, rest of Europe, US, UK, and India.

It scares me to think that the health establishment is full of politics. Are they going to have their own "yellow" hospitals now? I have no doubt that these guys are in league with American intelligence services. Why? It is Pompeo, and his guys who have the exact same messaging with their "China virus" crap. Where has that gotten the USA? Probably will be 200K dead at least. For what? It is shameful for a doctor or nurse to play roulette like that. You don't even deserve to be a hospital janitor.

Dolcevita said:
The sad and hypocritical truth is that the NYT, along with many MSM outlet, regularly run fact-checks on all sort of topics except when they become the purveyor of the falsehood. They also collude with each other to avoid fact-checking each other on any of their china-related falsehood. It is another affirmation on their propagandist intent.
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It is such lazy reporting. Basically just looking stuff up on Google, rewriting it and passing it off as news.
That idea that somehow Mongolians protesting in Mongolia has any bearing on the feelings of Mongolians in China is just stupid. It is the news equivalent of asking some French-Canadian person, what they think about Macron. Basically irrelevant! Another example of (Asian) sameness syndrome.

This media treatment is what gets the goat of so many people from HK. The media makes it seem like all sane/normal HK people are anti-China. Then some non-HK person asks "What do you think of the protests/NSL/what China is doing?" and they seem surprised when they don't get an "I hate China" answer. Now they think you're crazy or brainwashed for not answering in their expected way (Ironically enough). It's ridiculous.
 
AssassinsMace

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Dolcevita said:
The US justice system is really broken if the plea deal was actually offered. It grants too much freedom to the prosecutor office to fabricate evidence to corrupt the judicial system. It was systemic race-based effort to justify shooting of Breonna Taylor and exonerate the offending officer.

In some more progressive criminal justice system, the plea deal even if accepted cannot be used as evidence in the defense of the offending officers since it was obtained under duress. Not in the US though, the systemic racism in the criminal justice system is too rampant to discount this possibility.
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It just shows the US violates human rights like every other country they point the finger at. Americans heard of police killing unarmed black men for no reason but they never actually saw it for themselves until the George Floyd video. Now you can believe it happens without a recording and now Breonna Taylor shows how they just outright lie to fabricate charges to justify murdering people to save themselves. How many times does this happen? The only difference between a dictatorship and a democracy is in a democracy they have to bother to make up a story for the public to buy because people can be voted out of office. That doesn't make violating human rights in a democracy less serious.
 
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