Hong-Kong Protests
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It is funny how you could rewrite the history by manipulating information. If I were not a HKer, I probably would fail to recognize the lies and twisted facts within your narrative. People in HK understood that it is unrealistic to ask UK to grant citizenship to all HKers. Hong Kong people only asked the British to grant them a way to immigrant to UK. And British has denied even this simple request. In the end, only a few people met the stingy requirements and threshold to immigrant to UK and most of them are privileges and high ranking officials who served in the Hong Kong government.
That's a pipe dream that I have heard for 3 decades. I am still waiting for the day that this so called BNO passport to become truly useful.
Those who can leave HK and thrive in US, UK, Canada, Australia have already done so. Those who can't leave or were forced to return don't stand a chance. Those who stayed are the ones that have no plan to leave. After all these decades, the West is still selling the same snake oil.
This Hong Kong exodus brain drain narrative is ridiculously exaggerated. The wealthy have long been able to buy overseas residencies and citizenships through investor visas, while top students and professionals have already had access to talent schemes and work visas.
These new citizenship pathways are mainly appealing to young, unestablished types further down the socioeconomic spectrum. And guess what, that’s just the socioeconomic group struggling the world over with too much competition, facing increasingly high costs amid stagnating wage growth and underemployment!
I can imagine Beijing and the HK establishment secretly actually quite happy to rid their hands of the HK share.
These new citizenship pathways are mainly appealing to young, unestablished types further down the socioeconomic spectrum. And guess what, that’s just the socioeconomic group struggling the world over with too much competition, facing increasingly high costs amid stagnating wage growth and underemployment!
I can imagine Beijing and the HK establishment secretly actually quite happy to rid their hands of the HK share.
supercat
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UK politicians are really a cunning bunch. Ever wondered why they would support the clown Guaido and his puppet "exile government" instead of the democratically elected legitimate leader of the Venezuela Maduro? Because they want to keep Venezuela's gold in the Bank of England.
On the other hand, anyone who thinks the U.S. was not involved in the Hong Kong's riots is either naive or ignorant. Anyone who takes even a cursory look of the following article will understand that why the National Security Law is needed and why it's needed now.
On the other hand, anyone who thinks the U.S. was not involved in the Hong Kong's riots is either naive or ignorant. Anyone who takes even a cursory look of the following article will understand that why the National Security Law is needed and why it's needed now.
Just personal experience of how Western propaganda is instilled from birth like Islam.
In AP "World" history class, they didn't teach about Japanese atrocities beyond Pearl Harbor. Than Japan became friend. Then Japan was always friend.
Then the parents teach this to their kids.
Hongkong somehow decided it was a good idea to continue to be ignorant in their own ways.
Westerners don’t know about the Opium Wars. How can they understand the politics behind Hongkong?
In AP "World" history class, they didn't teach about Japanese atrocities beyond Pearl Harbor. Than Japan became friend. Then Japan was always friend.
Then the parents teach this to their kids.
Hongkong somehow decided it was a good idea to continue to be ignorant in their own ways.
Westerners don’t know about the Opium Wars. How can they understand the politics behind Hongkong?
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Mr T
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"In his 2007 Review of Citizenship, Lord Goldsmith recognised that to give BN(O)s full British citizenship automatically would be a breach of the commitments made between China and the UK in the 1984 Joint Declaration on the future of Hong Kong, and that to secure Chinese agreement to vary the terms of that treaty would not be possible."
Feel free to post a legal opinion that said the opposite.
I'm not sure what you mean. HK residents have been able to travel to the UK without a visa whether or not they had a BNO passport. If you're talking about the right to come and live in the UK without restriction, only EEA citizens had that right. If the UK had offered a similar scheme to HK residents without the same being offered to British citizens who wanted to live and work in Hong Kong (same applies in reverse, British citizens can travel to HK for 6 months but need a visa to stay longer, study or work), the government would probably have been challenged in court by other nationalities who said that the policy was racial discrimination.
I don't see why. Up until now there was hope that Hong Kong would do fine under Chinese rule and that 1C2S might even be extended (Deng said as much). Therefore normal HKers had every reason to stay. Now the situation is quite different because it's clear that the CCP wants to run Hong Kong like any other Chinese city.
Why would well-educated HKers want to work abroad? Surely Beijing did a wonderful job ruling Hong Kong and making it a wonderful place to live.
You're not saying that Hong Kong is a scummy city where only those with low ambition live, are you? Oh dear, what did China do to the city after the handover?
Why would well-educated HKers want to work abroad? Surely Beijing did a wonderful job ruling Hong Kong and making it a wonderful place to live.
You're not saying that Hong Kong is a scummy city where only those with low ambition live, are you? Oh dear, what did China do to the city after the handover?
That's implying that general fear, anathema and hostility to China, mainland Chinese people, and the CCP is not a sufficient motivator..
To be fair, American history curriculum and textbooks still talk about the atrocities and acts of aggression of the Japanese towards the Chinese, such as the Rape of Nanking. World history I assume is a very big class so they wouldn't cover things in too much detail.Just personal experience of how Western propaganda is instilled from birth like Islam.
In AP "World" history class, they didn't teach about Japanese atrocities beyond Pearl Harbor. Than Japan became friend. Then Japan was always friend.
Then the parents teach this to their kids.
Hongkong somehow decided it was a good idea to continue to be ignorant in their own ways.
Westerners don’t know about the Opium Wars. How can they understand the politics behind Hongkong?
Mr T
Senior Member
Certainly there was plenty of fear in the run up to 1997, but after that most HK people seemed pleasantly surprised by how things went. Bar the 2003 protests I think the first decade went reasonably well. Even 5-10 years ago I think people were mostly willing to stick it out and had hope things would get better.
Why would well-educated HKers want to work abroad? Surely Beijing did a wonderful job ruling Hong Kong and making it a wonderful place to live.
You're not saying that Hong Kong is a scummy city where only those with low ambition live, are you? Oh dear, what did China do to the city after the handover?
Oh dear, such resentment!
The well-educated elite and moneyed classes have done incredibly well in Hong Kong after the handover, thank you very much.
I'm guessing you don't mingle in those circles?Why would they leave now when things are calming down, and markets going back up? Things look nice and rosy from here on out.
In all honesty though, I sympathise.
However, HK's problems result from tycoon capture of governance. Case in point - the HK housing market. Lotta open land in HK, but because the market's controlled by a few tycoon firms, we’ve got no housing supply and sky-high pricing.
HK would've done better with more PRC influence, not less. Instead, 1C2S forced the CPC to rely and empower the only HK interest group they had any influence over, the tycoons, to protect Chinese interests in Hong Kong. After all, who else could the Party work with?
We all know the rest of the story from there - a tycoon-led, hypercapitalist utopia with massive elite profits against an imploding middle-class. Tragic.
However, not to fret my friend! Things are looking up now with the CPC sidelining the tycoons and asserting more direct political control with the new national security law!