Hong-Kong Protests

plawolf said:

It’s pointless trying to shame people who know no shame.

I think China should just round up all the rioters in HK, taking special care to make sure they all have their BNO passports, and literally ship them all to the UK now that the Tory government has been idiotic enough to think suggesting offering them citizenship is any kind of deterrence to China.

Let these idiotic snowflakes with delusions of grandeur try their BS here and get a first hand taste of what ‘free‘ western police tactics is actually like. I can guarantee you HK police will feel like Disneyland Mascots in comparison.

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It has nothing to do with shaming Hong Kongers. It's about isolating them. It's no different from the US trying to start an Arab Revolution in China because there was a traffic accident between Chinese and Mongolians drivers. The logic was to exploit ethnic tensions hopefully exploding into a revolution against China like what started the Arab Revolution sparked by police harassing a street vendor where police already had a bad reputation with citizens. The Chinese don't have to make up tension over George Floyd. They're already there. The US brought up racism by China over coronavirus because they want the African-American community to focus on hating China not the US government. The focus can explode back on the US by pointing to the hypocrisy of US policies on Hong Kong.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

So now this is a thread to aid in shouting down the opposition in other forums and threads.
Love the moral equivalency to... the actions of Four officers where face termination for their actions somehow is worse than the actions of thousands of Officers who enact official policy.

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That's what the US does... You don't want generalization on you but you do it to China. Like I said in another thread, if the US can tell countries they bomb where it kills civilians that they should've revolted and toppled the government if they didn't want to get bombed, then it's all right for Americans to be held by the same standards. Like do we see Americans saying it's wrong for Asian-Americans to be attacked because of coronavirus? No. That's a generalization yet nothing but lip-service that it's wrong. And I bet the excuse is those Asian-Americans should go to China and over throw the government and set-up a pro-US regime, if they don't want to be victims of racial attacks in the US...

If US actions hiding behind Hong Kong eventually leads to military action, the US will need poor communities to fight for US policies. It won't go well when the US acts against China because the police use tear gas on protestors resulting in Hong Kongers crying their human rights are being violated and yet they want poor communities to fight China for them when they doing nothing about their police who kill unarmed civilians in their communities. Tear gas versus murder. Which one is worse? Yes the shameless Hong Kongers will only see tear gas.

SoupDumplings said:

Looks like France is out. If more countries follow, the "stand with Hong Kong" countries will be mostly 5 Eyes countries. Not a good PR look, although I doubt that matters all that much considering the political climate.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265870666370187265

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Sorry guys, looks like things aren't as clear cut as expected. Which is actually kind of expected if you think about it. Especially when it come to news about China and Hong Kong.

China should be making a big stink over George Floyd. The reason why Western countries are ganging up on China is because the US is making stink over China enacting security laws that Western countries have themselves. If China has planned retaliatory action, they should say it's because of George Floyd and racist US police policies.

AssassinsMace said:

China should be making a big stink over George Floyd. The reason why Western countries are ganging up on China is because the US is making stink over China enacting security laws that Western countries have themselves. If China has planned retaliatory action, they should say it's because of George Floyd and racist US police policies.

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Nah, China should save its breath. Besides, China stands by its non-interventionism, as seen in many non-western countries. It is a key advantage China holds over the US when forming relations with other countries. I see no reason why China should throw away its advantage just to cause a temporary speed bump for the US.

Wow.

Minnesota governor activates National Guard as upheaval continues in Twin Cities

imagine the news headline if instead of Minnesota, it is Guangdong! You can imagine the MSM would thought Christmas come early.

let me wind this back just to yesterday when I was watching the BBC, you know the self-pronouce impartial one. I wasn't paying much attention to it, except it was on. Until I heard, and this is from memory:

Hong Kong police "fired tear gas and charged protestors" protesting China's "new law" to "tighten it's grip" on hong kong.

bear with me on this.

The reason I quoted the above sentence is to highlight the propaganda at play. First it clearly lay the blame on the police by suggesting it's started it first.

Then it only said "new law", so avoid having to say national security law which every country has. So it is a deliberate attempt to mislead.

Then the "tighten it's grip". That is purely subjective and emotional to mislead the viewers. It could easily have said "to improve public safety".

Ok, we expected this from the MSM. BUT, and here's the cream de la cream! Immediately after reporting on Hong Kong, it moved on to the next item of the news, and it is the trouble in Minneapolis. And here's from memory.

Riots broke out in Minneapolis after arrest, and death of a suspect. Police have to use tear gas to bring the situation under control.

I will leave you guys to spot the difference between the Minneapolis news and Hong Kong's. Which one made it sound police was defending themselves, and which one is the aggressor?

It's just absurd to hear so much from outside countries about another country's national security law. Can you imagine how stupid China would look if they scolded the US for the PATRIOT Act?

We don't know all the details of the law at this time, but some of the details that have leaked out make sense.

Foreign judges barred from ruling on issues that affect national security for example. I'm not sure there are any countries that would allow this. For example, the Meng case in Canada, it must go through Canadian court first, not just handing her over to Americans.

Allowing national security apparatus to function in HK. This is a no-brainer. It is 1 country, 2 systems. How can national security be safeguarded if they are not allowed to function? Regardless of how PRC operates, this is just logical from a governance perspective.

SoupDumplings said:

Nah, China should save its breath. Besides, China stands by its non-interventionism, as seen in many non-western countries. It is a key advantage China holds over the US when forming relations with other countries. I see no reason why China should throw away its advantage just to cause a temporary speed bump for the US.

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If China has the advantage, why does China always act in the defensive to what the US does? China shouldn't even bother if they have so many countries supporting it.

I just saw on CNN a news story about Trump claiming wearing masks is about social control. The story pointed to the scientific reasons using Hong Kong as an example where they only had four deaths from coronavirus. While they were mentioning Hong Kong they show a shop selling masks and they were all KN95 masks from China. The very masks the US media said were low quality and don't help to stop the virus. So who's masks work better?