Hong-Kong Protests

supercat

Major
It's called hypocrisy. All major western nations have a national security law.

Here's USA. Sorry it's in Chinese.

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And the USA said there will respond to China's national security strongly!? Gee.

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Not to mention that Hong Kong belongs to China, not the U.S. The U.S. has zero jurisdiction over Chinese territories, no matter what kind of laws they pass in their congress.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
I hope the law will allow banning separatist websites like LIHKG

Why not just go the whole hog and ban any website that is critical of the CCP?

How strong is NIMBYism in Taiwan towards HongKongers?

Pretty low. Plus the HongKongese are credited in Taiwan for exposing Han's real thoughts on China and democracy. If there hadn't been any protests in HK, it's possible he would have won the election and Taiwanese would have found out the hard way what he was like.

That doesn't mean Taiwanese want the entire population of Hong Kong to decant there. But if China does tighten its grip on HK, I doubt Taiwanese would react negatively to HongKongese moving there, especially if it was the younger HKese (less likely to need healthcare, long time until retirement, etc).

How many of these protesters are rich?

Pretty much zero. Rich HK people are mostly pro-CCP, because the CCP has (until recently) meant stability, which in turn protects their investments. The status-quo in HK is also low taxation, low regulation, etc. That boosts their profits.

The HK protesters aren't abjectly poor, because the abject poor don't have time to protest for or against anything. They're focused on survival. The protesters are well-educated, either middle class or "upper-working" class. But most of them were originally protesting because of the increasingly dire economic and housing prospects for young people.

The economy will need to recover quickly to avoid more social unrest.

Maybe the government in HK should do something to address the economic grievances that led to the protests in the first place. Public spending in HK is pitiful.

these punks think too much of themselves, ccp have to govern 1.4b population, no time to waste bullying hongkong.

The CCP seems to have made time in Hong Kong's case.

First step is to arrest and put on trial all those domestic politicians that testify in US senate under act of treason.

Why are you so scared of people talking in public? US Senate hearings are open. People simply complaining about the CCP isn't treason.

As for the rest of what you've said, you're tearing up the entire Basic Law for Hong Kong. Pro-CCP politicians in Hong Kong said that the new law is supposed to apply to just a few people. So I guess they're lying?
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
what kind of responses from Trump you reckon?

First of all, we must recognise that it doesn't matter what response. ANY response is unwarranted and unwelcome. Response could be just a verbal broadside from Trump to a full-on invasion fleet. Either case, they would have no right under any international law. Especially when the USA have more laws under national security umbrella than anyone else.

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As to my opinion of what his next move will be. I guess Trump is still trying to play the big game. And that is the trade war. And with Trump struggling to cope with Covid 19. It will be lots of noise, maybe more sanctions on entity list. I don't expect much substantial from the USA (Don't get me wrong, I believe the USA would like to have a big strong responsd). BUT, the USA just doesn't have a strong hand at the moment vis-a-vis China.
 

hullopilllw

Junior Member
Registered Member
Why not just go the whole hog and ban any website that is critical of the CCP?



Pretty low. Plus the HongKongese are credited in Taiwan for exposing Han's real thoughts on China and democracy. If there hadn't been any protests in HK, it's possible he would have won the election and Taiwanese would have found out the hard way what he was like.

That doesn't mean Taiwanese want the entire population of Hong Kong to decant there. But if China does tighten its grip on HK, I doubt Taiwanese would react negatively to HongKongese moving there, especially if it was the younger HKese (less likely to need healthcare, long time until retirement, etc).



Pretty much zero. Rich HK people are mostly pro-CCP, because the CCP has (until recently) meant stability, which in turn protects their investments. The status-quo in HK is also low taxation, low regulation, etc. That boosts their profits.

The HK protesters aren't abjectly poor, because the abject poor don't have time to protest for or against anything. They're focused on survival. The protesters are well-educated, either middle class or "upper-working" class. But most of them were originally protesting because of the increasingly dire economic and housing prospects for young people.



Maybe the government in HK should do something to address the economic grievances that led to the protests in the first place. Public spending in HK is pitiful.



The CCP seems to have made time in Hong Kong's case.



Why are you so scared of people talking in public? US Senate hearings are open. People simply complaining about the CCP isn't treason.

As for the rest of what you've said, you're tearing up the entire Basic Law for Hong Kong. Pro-CCP politicians in Hong Kong said that the new law is supposed to apply to just a few people. So I guess they're lying?

How is reenacting security laws to preserve sovereignty considered an intent to bully ?
 
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