Hong-Kong Protests


Pika highlighting his original focus on the military/police aspect of the situation reminds me that I still have the question of why does the HK police, or any police for that matter, pursue dispersal tactics when there are clearly serious violent offenders to be arrested? Why not round them up and arrest? Can anyone offer any insight?
 

AssassinsMace

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Pika highlighting his original focus on the military/police aspect of the situation reminds me that I still have the question of why does the HK police, or any police for that matter, pursue dispersal tactics when there are clearly serious violent offenders to be arrested? Why not round them up and arrest? Can anyone offer any insight?
It probably breaks up the lynch mob mentality. It's just like those individuals who were arrested crying in court. I bet they were enjoying beating up people on the street just for not agreeing with them and destroying other people's property not thinking once of the consequences because everyone else was doing it.
 

Gatekeeper

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HK’s colonial story is over.

This was the last death throw of the traitors.
I wont write them off too soon. It just that the fundings stopped, and MSM not keep plastering it on our 6pm evening news.

There are stil die-hards out there wanting to continue the fight!

From:

South morning China post:

Hong Kong party Demosisto drops support for self-determination after Joshua Wong and Agnes Chow’s election bans.

From Bangkok post

Hong Kong protesters rehearse ‘anti-communist march’
PUBLISHED : 12 JAN 2020 AT 18:47

HONG KONG: Thousands of people gathered in a square in Hong Kong’s city centre on Sunday afternoon in a pre-march assembly for a rally scheduled for next week that organisers describe as “universal siege on communists.”
 

Gatekeeper

Captain
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Wait...Did the authorities catch all of these "bad" elements ?
The answer is NO. The "colonial"/ foreign influences story of HK isn't over.
In fact, there are no Bad elements in HK. There are only bad ideologies and beliefs.
HK is very much susceptible to further violence. In fact, the July 2019 protests have set a precedent. I can't/don't see how the next protests could be effective for the "bad" elements without outperforming the 2019 protests.

All I want is for a stronger PRC who have learned lessons and have the vigour and courage to apply what they've learned. I sure hope they learned plenty from the 2019 protests.
I do hope China have learnt this valuable lesson. If I was China, I would now start reform of:

Journalist.: requited license issued by authority
Judicial: agovernment appointments of judges
Religious establishement: required government approval!
Education: All teaching staff required governmental checks.

In addition, I would have patriotic education where all educational establishement must teach love fir counyry and respect the values of the nation and the flag!

Now, before anyone here starting to get foams around their mouth, and call me a dictator, and conjure up images of 1984 orwellian vision of China.

The lists above are actually requirements in the UK and US system.

Only today, I saw Trump rally his troups in Ohio, and he said to cheering crowds. "we will teach our childrens to respect the constitution and the flag", after he said the rights to bear arms!
 

Gatekeeper

Captain
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Pika highlighting his original focus on the military/police aspect of the situation reminds me that I still have the question of why does the HK police, or any police for that matter, pursue dispersal tactics when there are clearly serious violent offenders to be arrested? Why not round them up and arrest? Can anyone offer any insight?
The dispersal tactics were used originally, but that was changed to round them up and locked them away with the new commissioner. FB_IMG_1577354650394.jpg FB_IMG_1577320731450.jpg FB_IMG_1577289006597.jpg FB_IMG_1577319232627.jpg FB_IMG_1577318062535.jpg FB_IMG_1577364439787.jpg
 
The dispersal tactics were used originally, but that was changed to round them up and locked them away with the new commissioner.
Right, the HK police had the capability all along. So focusing on the technical factors, rather than the inherent personal and possibly political factors of the different police commissioners, what compels any police force to use dispersal rather than arrest tactics? Especially when the rioters pose a demonstrated physical threat to police, bystanders, public and private property?
 

Gatekeeper

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Only a few months ago, the British MSM made a big thing of the queues outside their consulate which goes to reinforced the message for their own viewing public that Hong Kongers hate China and loves Britain! (nothing was mention that Britain wouldn't honoured their obligation for the people under their charge)!

And not that propaganda is used up, these people are disgarded like some old piece of clothing.

This video is so shameful, but it should be a reality test for them. Don't these people ever get the message. Great Britain doesn't want/need you! Now clear off from our consulate! Yet, they screamed away, '"we are British"! How very sad!

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AssassinsMace

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The media likes to publish stories of white collar workers working in big companies that do business with China in Hong Kong are pro-protestors. So. Ever here of being replaced? Instead of an accounting job, they'll be washing dishes in a restaurant soon. The delusion of grandeur that somehow they personally are important to China that they can make demands...
 

plawolf

Brigadier
I do hope China have learnt this valuable lesson. If I was China, I would now start reform of:

Journalist.: requited license issued by authority
Judicial: agovernment appointments of judges
Religious establishement: required government approval!
Education: All teaching staff required governmental checks.

In addition, I would have patriotic education where all educational establishement must teach love fir counyry and respect the values of the nation and the flag!

Now, before anyone here starting to get foams around their mouth, and call me a dictator, and conjure up images of 1984 orwellian vision of China.

The lists above are actually requirements in the UK and US system.

Only today, I saw Trump rally his troups in Ohio, and he said to cheering crowds. "we will teach our childrens to respect the constitution and the flag", after he said the rights to bear arms!
The issue with HK has always been a mixture of too generous granting of rights, and insufficient political will to safeguard its democracy to make sure it isn’t perverted by hostile foreign powers.

Unfortunately the excessive freedoms already granted cannot be easily rolled back until 2047. But what China can and is doing is hitting the money behind the riots, both foreign and domestic.

It should be made clear in no uncertain terms that for any oligarchs to work against Chinese national interests will see not only their own businesses specifically targeted for economic punishment, but the whole industry.

So the other oligarchs have the choice of either working together to obliterate the business interests of the offending oligarch, or are their own fortunes obliterated alongside them.

This is much easier in HK than elsewhere because of the overbearing role property plays in HK economics. Property are fixed assets, and extremely difficult and time consuming to liquidate and relocate, especially in a big way.

In many respects, HK property prices are desperately overdue for a massive downward correction, and local government also needs massive tax reforms to reduce the overwhelming reliance of public finances on land sales.

That makes HK oligarchs very vulnerable to a systematic property price crash, because most of their wealth is on paper only, so falls in property prices can see their wealth massively reduced almost overnight.

Such a move would also be interesting in that it would drive a wedge between the overwhelmingly young rioters who have no property, and the oligarchs and middle classes who have property.

Once it is established that support for rioters = huge falls in property prices, I can see much more resistance to the rioters from both the oligarchs and general public. That will then be a turning point to setting HK on a proper and right direction.
 

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