Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

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I think the real protests are over at this point.

What we read now is just the western media sensationalism. The thugs are well funded and well organized by the foreign intelligence services.

When I said this to someone, they called me a "conspiracy theorist"

Call me what you want, but how else do you explain $100,000's for newspaper ads, $10,000's for T-Shirts at NBA games around the world (For the Toronto Game:
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Yeah right, a miracle happened even though support is petering out and most of the young people supporting the unrest are unemployed or students!

Who knows even how much for all the masks and whatever.

Ironic that being anti-protest earns you the label of wumao, when it is really the US/UK who is trying to shape the opinion.

Only hope now is that police can wrap it up. Only then can the city move on. Central government should allow reforms, but take lessons from US/UK to learn how to control the policy no matter what party might be in power in the city.

Yeah, that 五毛 wumao is a classic! I on another forum often encounter that. It basically showed they have lost the arguments and the plot, and just refer to name calling, and of course everyone must be a 五毛,because how can a sane person ever day CCP is right!

The sad thing is I never said CCP is right, I just point out the fact that there argument on the point is wrong!

But they can't equate that!
 

Gatekeeper

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Apart from NED...I don't think US is directly funding them (initially at-least). But Taiwanese Green Party individuals may be the real source of these funds.
UK has too many problems at home. UK is basically the cheergirl.

Xsizor, USA is funding directly, as NED is an organ of the USA government! Look at the clandestine meetings with the consulate general. Look at the meetings with Pelosy. Look at all the CIA operatives on the ground in Hong Kong!

Don't be navir in thinking USA wont do dirty work, just look around the world and see! I give you Chile 1973 to start with!
 

taxiya

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Yes and No!
However, if you have obtained an ID card, then you are recogised as a Hong Kong citzens (and for clarity, you can also become a Chinese national overseas CNO, exactly the same as the infamous British national overseas BNO). As such, you can still keep your old passport and national status!

So after you get your ID card, you can vote, you can stand for elections and still be a foreign national.

To obtained a HONG Kong ID card, you only need to have lived in Hong Kong for 7 years! (also, I hear they can fast track you in special circumstances).
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My understanding of the law and its implementation in HK are:
  1. China's nationality law applies to Hong Kong in FULL. Hong Kong does not have separate law nor different citizenship. National Congress delegate the Hong Kong immigration authority to enforce the law.
  2. There is no CNO in any form, unlike BNO which is a different status from British Citizenship. BNOs are specifically created for formal colony subjects but without the right of adobe in UK. China does not have formal colony subjects, nor can anybody be neutralized without being a resident of China (including Hong Kong) in the first place.
  3. China's nationality law denies dual citizenship, one MUST renounce ones other nationality before being neutralized as Chinese. There is no way anyone can keep other nationality. Of course one can lie to the authority of ones other status, but that risk being stripped Chinese citizenship in the future if discovered, and the other status will not provide consulate protection in any way so long as the person is on Chinese soil.
  4. In case of Hong Kong, the law states that China (Hong Kong) does not recognize BNO or "British Nationality Selection Scheme", anyone in these two categories are treated as Chinese citizen.
The real foreigners are the ones who have full and real British citizenship, and they are the ones that is a sore.

The source of these foreigners being in Hong Kong's institution is the special arrangement at the handover. In the arrangement, anybody of FULL foreign citizenship who was working in Hong Kong's institution (judges, police officers) will remain without taking up Chinese citizenship (therefor renouncing UK citizenship). They will not be removed at any time, until they choose to resign, or retire. That is why there are British Judges sitting in the court and British (Scottish) police officers in the police force.

A foreign national who was not already an employee of Hong Kong institutions at the handover can NOT be employed without being neutralized first.
 
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for me it'd a question who paid for controversial
Hong Kong theme park slammed for politicizing show, inciting hatred
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I mean if they were privately owned (and I didn't quickly figure if
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is or isn't privately owned),
they should play whatever satire they want, but if they were public or subsidized (disclaimer as above), they shouldn't play whatever satire they want (but I know even then some would argue about freedom of artistic expression)
 

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Here is the link to Hong Kong immigration
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My understanding of the law and its implementation in HK are:
  1. China's nationality law applies to Hong Kong in FULL. Hong Kong does not have separate law nor different citizenship. National Congress delegate the Hong Kong immigration authority to enforce the law.
  2. There is no CNO in any form, unlike BNO which is a different status from British Citizenship. BNOs are specifically created for formal colony subjects but without the right of adobe in UK. China does not have formal colony subjects, nor can anybody be neutralized without being a resident of China (including Hong Kong) in the first place.
  3. China's nationality law denies dual citizenship, one MUST renounce ones other nationality before being neutralized as Chinese. There is no way anyone can keep other nationality. Of course one can lie to the authority of ones other status, but that risk being stripped Chinese citizenship in the future if discovered, and the other status will not provide consulate protection in any way so long as the person is on Chinese soil.
  4. In case of Hong Kong, the law states that China (Hong Kong) does not recognize BNO or "British Nationality Selection Scheme", anyone in these two categories are treated as Chinese citizen.
The real foreigners are the ones who have full and real British citizenship, and they are the ones that is a sore.

The source of these foreigners being in Hong Kong's institution is the special arrangement at the handover. In the arrangement, anybody of FULL foreign citizenship who was working in Hong Kong's institution (judges, police officers) will remain without taking up Chinese citizenship (therefor renouncing UK citizenship). They will not be removed at any time, until they choose to resign, or retire. That is why there are British Judges sitting in the court and British (Scottish) police officers in the police force.

A foreign national who was not already an employee of Hong Kong institutions at the handover can NOT be employed without being neutralized first.

Taxiya. I hate to disagree with you. I'm not sure if you are interpreting the above correctly.

I'm holding I'm hand a Chinese passport in my name. And it clearly differentiate my Chinese passport and those from the mainland.

Furthermore, I can't enter China proper without further paperwork. So in all intend and purposes. It is like a BNO. and as such I called it CNO.

I could show more from inside, but obviously I won't.

By issuing this passport to me. And I hold a full British passport. And a holder of
HK ID card. It is clear I'm a duo national. But I can also stand for election in HK because of my birthright and ID card.

Now, as I understand it. China does not allowed duo nationality, but clearly I'm.
That is because my "Chinese passport" is not the real thing!

That's my finger and thumb and my coffee table. Lol

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taxiya

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Taxiya. I hate to disagree with you. I'm not sure if you are interpreting the above correctly.

I'm holding I'm hand a Chinese passport in my name. And it clearly differentiate my Chinese passport and those from the mainland.

Furthermore, I can't enter China proper without further paperwork. So in all intend and purposes. It is like a BNO. and as such I called it CNO.

I could show more from inside, but obviously I won't.

By issuing this passport to me. And I hold a full British passport. And a holder of
HK ID card. It is clear I'm a duo national. But I can also stand for election in HK because of my birthright and ID card.

Now, as I understand it. China does not allowed duo nationality, but clearly I'm.
That is because my "Chinese passport" is not the real thing!

That's my finger and thumb and my coffee table. Lol

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your passport give you privilege in entering other countries, just like a diplomatic or official passports give privileges to some Chinese nationals. But they don't make differences in terms of citizen right. My parents used to have official passports. The only thing matters is the first inside page baring "The Ministry of Foreign Affair of PRC......"

Your Chinese passport is real in the view of China including HK immigration authority. Your British passport if it was acquired through the UK scheme I mentioned, no matter how real, is void in the view of China (HK included) , see the point 3 of HK immigration authority's explanation. If you acquired the British passport through other means, you are obliged to renounce your Chinese citizenship, before doing so you are still Chinese and be treated as such. The British passport has no effect in China (HK included).

Your entering mainland China needing further paperwork is equal to the paperwork for any Chinese citizen to settle in a new Chinese city. The paperwork is not a visa but only administration work. If that can be called CNO, then every main-lander is a CNI (Chinese National Insea) :D.

If China, one of your two citizenship, denies your duo citizenship, how could you be duo? ;) I mean, duo citizenship and its related right and obligation are not something an individual can declare or claim to posses. Or if you prefer to claim so, there is almost nothing in essence left.

In practice, UK can not provide consulate assistance to you when you are in China (Hong Kong), that nullified anything you may think you have from the duo citizenship. When you are in UK, you can not ask the same assistance from Chinese embassy without revealing your British citizenship (UK police will only let China involved if you show your Chinese passport), in return you may be stripped your Chinese citizenship. In a third country, you can only ask help from one, but not two. In effect, the duo citizenship does not exist. Does it?

Two examples, my friend acquired a foreign citizenship without notifying Chinese government, he managed to visit China using his foreign passport for years until recently. He was denied to leave China after being found out to hold a foreign passport. He was ordered to finish all paperwork to de-register, surrender his Chinese ID and passport. It took him a week. He did not receive any further fine or charges because he has not unfinished legal proceedings. If he had properties in China, the change of ownership registration would have taken even longer time for more paperwork.

I don't want to spook you, but the other example is uglier. A person by the name "Huseyincan Celil" was charged of crime in China, before being caught traveled to Canada and acquired Canadian passport, caught in Uzbekistan later then deported to China and trailed. Canadian embassy was denied access to him. The argument China gave was that the person was still Chinese citizen as far as China is aware because the person didn't renounce his Chinese citizenship.
 
the article mostly talks the decision of an electoral officer related to
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in terms of if it's secessionist or not:
Democracy activist Joshua Wong barred from running in Hong Kong district council election
  • Former student leader of the 2014 Occupy movement ‘cannot possibly’ comply with election laws, says government, citing his former advocacy of self-determination
  • Wong, who had made clear he did not support the option of independence, is the only candidate disqualified from November 24 polls

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Xizor

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Xsizor, USA is funding directly, as NED is an organ of the USA government! Look at the clandestine meetings with the consulate general. Look at the meetings with Pelosy. Look at all the CIA operatives on the ground in Hong Kong!

Don't be navir in thinking USA wont do dirty work, just look around the world and see! I give you Chile 1973 to start with!
I am not naive. NED, Templeton, Heritage Foundation...the list is huge.
The cultural-religious-political-ideological funds and trusts are used as a tool for subversion of other countries and systems that may compete with the West.
I'm simply saying that the NED funneling financial support to secessionists has always existed but it only reached the critical point during the 2014 Occupy Central as well as the 2019 Protests.
This is quite different from Government directed support. Government directed attention and support comes AFTER a big breakthrough has been achieved. The Pelosi meetings, Ambassador gaffe, Rubio-Lindsey Anti-China motion spree etc are the second wave of attacks.
It would be better if NED and other elements that actively sustain and nourish Anti-China forces be decoupled from US Administration movements.
The activities of NED and the like, happens in every country on the planet - Turkey, Russia, Indonesia,India, Saudi Arabia etc... This is almost like a cult or a "benign tumor". An extra governmental force propelled by religio-ethno-cultural ideologies.
 
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