Hong-Kong Protests

KYli

Brigadier
If you wish to pick a fight with me you should at least get your facts lined up.

First up. I did not initiate the comments about loyalty and Yue Fei. I was responding to a poster who was virtual signalling on the idea of loyalty, the HK protest and holding up Yue Fei as the standard. My suggestion was first to look at the CCP's prioritization of it before questioning the HK protesters.

Don't assume I do not understand Chinese history.

I agree that off topic post should remain so. The problem is this thread is often so off topic that probably more than 50 % should be removed. Better still, this thread should be locked up.

I think many of us understand clearly that your only intention in this thread is attempted to get this thread locked. It is pitiful that you are so afraid of the truth that you have to restored to this kind of behavior.
 
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Brumby

Major
Keep trying to twisted the fact as if you understand the meaning of the Basic Law. It is within Carrie Lam's power to use the Emergency Law. Article 8 of the Basic Law "The laws previously in force in Hong Kong, that is, the common law, rules of equity, ordinances, subordinate legislation and customary law shall be maintained, except for any that contravene this Law (i.e. the Basic Law), and subject to any amendment by the legislature of the (HKSAR)."

No legislative amendment or anything in the Basic Law has declared the Emergency Law to be in anyway contravenes to the Basic Law. The only thing the opposition can do is to ask the court to declare the Emergency Law illegal but automatically the NPCSC holds the power of final interpretation.

I am afraid you are either twisting the facts or you don't understand the facts.

Carrie Lam did not invoke the Emergency Law as provided by the Basic Law but instead is using the Emergency Ordinance that dates back to the 1920's under the colonial power. This itself is contravening the joint agreement and the Basic Law because the Emergency Ordinance is already superceded by the Emergency Law as provided in the Basic Law. Resorting to colonial laws and bypassing the Basic Law is undermining the rule of law. .
 

Brumby

Major
I think many of us understand clearly that your only intention in this thread is attempted to get this thread locked. It is pitiful that you are so afraid of the truth that you have to restored to this kind of behavior.

Political threads are not allowed under forum rules and so I am standing on solid ground.

Saying that I am afraid of the truth is so laughable. The problem is what are posted on this thread are generally half truths, distorted facts, country bashing, and off topic discussions.
 

KYli

Brigadier
I am afraid you are either twisting the facts or you don't understand the facts.

Carrie Lam did not invoke the Emergency Law as provided by the Basic Law but instead is using the Emergency Ordinance that dates back to the 1920's under the colonial power. This itself is contravening the joint agreement and the Basic Law because the Emergency Ordinance is already superceded by the Emergency Law as provided in the Basic Law. Resorting to colonial laws and bypassing the Basic Law is undermining the rule of law. .

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"The common law, rules of equity, ordinances, subordinate legislation and customary law shall be maintained."

You are the one who doesn't understand the facts. Declare the State of Emergency is different from invoking Emergency Regulations Ordinance. Section 2(1) within "Cap. 241 Emergency Regulations Ordinance implemented since 1922 and last amended by the Legislative Council in 1999. Stop trying to twist the facts and admit you have no idea about the Basic Law and can't differentiate the difference between the State of Emergency and Emergency Regulations Ordinance. Let me make it clear for you, the Emergency Regulations Ordinance was amended in 1999 which is after the handover. Carrie Lam hasn't bypass the Basic Law or undermining the rule of law but some is trying to twist the facts. It might work for someone who has no idea about the Basic Law but not someone who come from HK.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Saying that I am afraid of the truth is so laughable... You are simply commenting from ignorance.
You are definitely afraid of the truth, and commenting out of ignorance and it's laughable, because because people are laughing at you and your total inability to understand China.
What Carrie Lam is doing is typical of how China operates and that is rule by law. Pick and choose any law at its convenience to suppress its people since there is no judicial process
There is no suppression of Chinese people in China unless you count jailing criminals as suppression. It is a streamlined process to ensure faster and more effective removable of criminal elements from the community (traitors included) in order to protect the population of patriotic well-meaning law-abiding citizens. It is more advanced and superior to the Western system, causing some in the West with less malleable thinking to confuse it with lack of fairness or "due process" (which is not really due everywhere). The myth that the Chinese government suppressed 1.4 billion people is Western propaganda's version of whistling past the graveyard to stem their fears of facing a united China.
The problem is what are posted on this thread are generally half truths, distorted facts, country bashing, and off topic discussions.
Nobody's keeping you here. You haven't contributed anything to the understanding of Hong Kong, but plenty to the understanding of how Western propaganda works, which is actually a side-effect. If you don't like it here, you're more than free to go.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Political threads are not allowed under forum rules and so I am standing on solid ground.

Saying that I am afraid of the truth is so laughable. The problem is what are posted on this thread are generally half truths, distorted facts, country bashing, and off topic discussions.

This is up to the administrator and the mods. It used to be allowed.

If those are half truths and distorted facts, then you should have been able to easily rebuff them instead of using twisted facts.
 

MrCrazyBoyRavi

Junior Member
Registered Member
Just a little bit offtopic. How quickly hongkong news is all over MSM and nobody talks about Venezuela any more. Venezuela used to get hot topic few months ago and its completely silent now.
 

Bob Smith

Junior Member
Registered Member
Just a little bit offtopic. How quickly hongkong news is all over MSM and nobody talks about Venezuela any more. Venezuela used to get hot topic few months ago and its completely silent now.

Any negative news related to China will continue to saturate Western media until the great power competition between China and US no longer exists. This is only the beginning.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Just a little bit offtopic. How quickly hongkong news is all over MSM and nobody talks about Venezuela any more. Venezuela used to get hot topic few months ago and its completely silent now.

The MSM pretty much stopped the full coverage of Venezuela when the coup failed. Hong Kong situation made it even more irrelevant.

America doesn't want to invade Venezuela. The Venezuelan military and senior officials knew that they would get betrayed by the US so they are not going to jump ship now. So it is a waiting game and stalemate at the moment. America is hoping the sanction could break the stalemate and force Maduro to resign.
 
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