Hong-Kong Protests


Jura

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bringing Singapore as an example, the article suggests changes to HK law; follow the link
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solarz

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“We cannot possibly tell the world that Hong Kong grooms local terrorists, hundreds of them,” one senior official said, adding the heat of US-China trade war made the matter even more sensitive.

“It does not help the current situation and will cause public panic. We would also face an avalanche of consequences such as sanctions, disinvestment and a downgrade of credit rating. Our image would be torn up further.”
Unbelievable! Hong Kong is burning and the authorities are still dithering over investments and credit ratings!

If anyone still needed more proof of the dysfunctional incompetence of the HK government, this is it.
 

AssassinsMace

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Don't credit that conspirator to be a journalist just because he holds a big camera, and it looks like he was taking pictures of the pretty woman who helped pick up the banker's glasses, he's just jealous.
Well being a journalist in Hong Kong ain't no honor when all they do is nothing to help anyone that gets beat up and lying bloody on the street gathering like flies to a dead body just taking pictures.
 

AssassinsMace

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What's happening in Hong Kong just makes me realize how much of a paranoid society Americans live in. US police train for events like this and they don't believe they have that kind of discontent in their society because of their democratic values. In Hong Kong it seems they don't train for this because they thought something like this would never happen. And the US actively prevents the kind of chaos you're seeing with Hong Kong by investigating and arresting people before it happens. It's stays quiet because of it. It certainly looks co-conspirators are involved. Do Hong Kong police have undercover police that would've arrested people and organizations plotting to commit crimes? How about investigative units that would trace where these people are getting their money? If foreigners are involved, that's how you would find out first. It doesn't look like it because it seems like Hong Kong authorities are a deer-in-the-headlights completely surprised and maybe arrogant basking in the reputation the West has given them.
 

solarz

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What's happening in Hong Kong just makes me realize how much of a paranoid society Americans live in. US police train for events like this and they don't believe they have that kind of discontent in their society because of their democratic values. In Hong Kong it seems they don't train for this because they thought something like this would never happen. And the US actively prevents the kind of chaos you're seeing with Hong Kong by investigating and arresting people before it happens. It's stays quiet because of it. It certainly looks co-conspirators are involved. Do Hong Kong police have undercover police that would've arrested people and organizations plotting to commit crimes? How about investigative units that would trace where these people are getting their money? If foreigners are involved, that's how you would find out first. It doesn't look like it because it seems like Hong Kong authorities are a deer-in-the-headlights completely surprised and maybe arrogant basking in the reputation the West has given them.
It's not just that HK was unprepared, it's the fact that HK authorities are not willing to employ the necessary means to end the unrest. Look at how they worry about credit ratings while the city burns. Headless chickens is an apt description!
 
Well being a journalist in Hong Kong ain't no honor when all they do is nothing to help anyone that gets beat up and lying bloody on the street gathering like flies to a dead body just taking pictures.
Exactly, and this guy is even worse as he is actively trying to make the dead body happen.

@AssassinsMace @PanAsian What is the identity of the foreign journo who blocked the JPM Banker guy ? His employer ? What agency does he work for ? I think this guy is a lot more than meets the eye. Very curious.
The guy is dressed in black like a rioter, has a face mask on, and is not dressed like actual reporters who wear glow vests and clear identification stating "press" so I would say he is not a real reporter. His behavior blocking the mandarin speaker's way away from the mob matches that of a rioter in this context, even if unscrupulous paparazzi also often use this tactic. I would love this guy to be identified in public and someone should interview him to see what he was doing.
 

Xsizor

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It's not just that HK was unprepared, it's the fact that HK authorities are not willing to employ the necessary means to end the unrest. Look at how they worry about credit ratings while the city burns. Headless chickens is an apt description!
Cut them some slack, my friend. They are doing what they can / what they are originally trained to do - run the HK economy as a financial hub for Capital transfers and deals. Politics aren't their Forte. Don't mistake the mule for a steed.
 
Is pepe still active on this forum? I have to share this article of his which covers the hybrid warfare aspect of the Hong Kong riots.

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Tracking foreign interference in Hong Kong
Lawyer Lawrence Ma claims the US has been supporting the protests via groups such as the NED

ByPEPE ESCOBAR, HONG KONG

Lawrence YK Ma is the executive council chairman of the Hong Kong Legal Exchange Foundation and director of the China Law Society, the Chinese Judicial Studies Association and the Hong Kong Legal Exchange Foundation. He also finds time to teach law at Nankai University in Tianjin.

Ma is the go-to expert in what is arguably the most sensitive subject in Hong Kong: He meticulously tracks perceived foreign interference in the Special Administrative Region (SAR).

In the West, in similar circumstances, he would be a media star. With a smirk, he told me that local journalists, whether working in English or Chinese, rarely visit him – not to mention foreigners.

Ma received me at his office in Wanchai this past Saturday morning after a “dark day” of rampage, as described by the SAR government. He wasted no time before calling my attention to a petition requesting a “United Nations investigation into the United States’ involvement in Hong Kong riots.”

He let me see a copy of the document, which lists the People’s Republic of China as petitioner, the United States of America as respondent nation and the Hong Kong Legal Exchange Foundation as ex parte petitioner. This was submitted on Aug. 16 to the UN Security Council in Geneva, directed to UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres.

In the document, Issue II deals with “funded, sponsored and provided supplies to any organizations, groups, companies, political parties or individuals” and “trained and frontline protesters, students and dissidents.”

Predictably, the US National Endowment for Democracy is listed in the documentation: its largest 2018 grants were directed to China, slightly ahead of Russia.

The NED was founded in 1983 after serial covert CIA ops across the Global South had been exposed.

In 1986, NED President Carl Gershman told the New York Times: “It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the CIA. We saw that in the ‘60s, and that’s why it has been discontinued.” As the Times article explained about the NED:

In some respects, the program resembles the aid given by the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s to bolster pro-American political groups. But that aid was clandestine and, subsequent Congressional investigations found, often used planted newspaper articles and other forms of intentionally misleading information. The current financing is largely public – despite some recipients’ wish to keep some activities secret – and appears to be given with the objective of shoring up political pluralism, broader than the CIA’s goals of fostering pro-Americanism.

Soft power at work
So it’s no secret, all across the Global South, that under the cover of a benign umbrella promoting democracy and human rights, the NED works as a soft-power mechanism actively interfering in politics and society. Recent examples include Ukraine, Venezuela and Nicaragua. In many cases, that is conducive to regime change.

The NED’s board of directors includes Elliott Abrams, who was instrumental in financing and weaponizing the Contras in Nicaragua, and Victoria Nuland, who supervised the financing and weaponizing of militias in Ukraine that some but not all experts have described as neo-fascist.

The NED offers grants via various branches. One of them is the National Democratic Institute, which has been active in Hong Kong since the 1997 handover. These are some of the grants offered by the NED in Hong Kong in 2018.

At least one Hong Kong-based publication took the trouble of studying the NED’s local connections, even publishing a chart of the anti-extradition protest organizational structure. But none of the evidence is conclusive. The most the publication could say was, “If we analyze the historical involvement of NED in Occupy Central and the sequence of events that took place from March in 2019, it is highly possible that the Americans may be potentially involved in the current civil unrest via NED – albeit not conclusive.”

Issue III of the petition sent to the UN deals with “coordinated, directed and covertly commanded on-ground operations; connived with favorable and compatible local and American media so as to present biased new coverage.”

On “coordination,” the main political operative is identified as Julie Eadeh, based at the US Consulate after a previous Middle East stint. Eadeh became a viral sensation in China when she was caught on camera, on the same day, meeting with Anson Chan and Martin Lee, close allies of Jimmy Lai, founder of pro-protest Apple Daily, and protest leaders Joshua Wong and Nathan Law in the lobby of the Marriott.

The US State Department responded by calling the Chinese government “thuggish” for releasing photographs and personal information about Eadeh.

The NED and Eadeh are also the subjects of further accusations in the petition’s Issue IV (“Investigation of various institutions”).
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