Hong-Kong Protests

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KYli

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SinoSoldier said:
HK police just shot an 18-year-old with live rounds.

This is beyond outrageous; the public will certainly tone up their resentment against the CCP and their military-backed armed apparatus.
Once again, history precedents tend to suggest that single incidents like this one can quickly cartwheel into a major upheaval among the protesters, who up until now have been relatively peaceful in their activities.
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I know you are bias. But saying the protesters peaceful is beyond bias, it is pure lies and dishonesty.
 
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As of midnight, the 18-year-old shot in the chest was still in a critical condition, according to a source.

There are still standoffs between protesters and riot police in two areas. In Prince Edward, police have warned protesters to stop throwing missiles such as stones or they will use force. Police have told reporters to leave.

Police are also performing stop and search checks on residents at Kwai Chung Market.

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SampanViking said:
I will add my twopeeneth here.
Mrs Sampan and my Inlaws are all Hongers and most of them living in HK.
I was there for a couple of weeks in early June, just as this was starting to kick off.
Firstly, the extradition bill was widely unpopular and this spread throughout all strands of Hong Kong society; old and young, workers and professionals etc, which is why you saw the massive turnouts during those early months.
Many that supported the protest against the bill were however horrified by the violence of the hard core protestors and did not wish to associate with them.
Now the bill is withdrawn, the widespread support has waned considerably and really shrunk back to a radicalised hard core of young protestors.
I do note a worrying sectarian divide in all this. Most of the protestors seem to come from the congregations or schools run by, the many Evangelical style churches that are in Hong Kong and which have specialised in moving into the private education (cramming) system.
Most of those that dislike the protestors are older and tend to be Bhuddists.
Many Hong Kongers are however worried of being swallowed up by the mainland and would like to preserve their rights.
I can think of three obvious solutions.
1) Extend the transition period of one country two systems by at least another 25 years
2) Encourage more young Hk'ers to work and interact more across the border.
3) Tighter control by the HKLC of the activities of these churches.
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It was never about the extradition bill. The tension in Hong Kong started way before the extradition bill. For many years ever since the handover, the media and the oppositions have attempted to demonized the central government, the HK government, and the mainlanders. Some of the grievances are justified but most of them are purely prejudice. As a Hong Konger, I would say some HKers have superior and inferior complex issue. Many of them think they are better than the mainlanders but at the same time feel inferior toward the westerners. With the rise of the mainland, being a HKer no longer makes them special anymore. That's why they have an identity crisis.

Extending the transition period for another 25 years is the worst idea that I can think of. Giving the HK government incompetency, it wouldn't even take that many years to see a full scale armed insurgency in HK. I just can't see what's good in extending the transition when hates and prejudice have infiltrated the public school, the media, and every sectors in HK. From the discussions that I have with friends and relatives in HK, I would say that there are a lot of peer pressure to support the riots. People would get ostracized on FB or in schools if they don't confine.

I do agree with the rest of your post.
 
manqiangrexue

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SinoSoldier said:
HK police just shot an 18-year-old with live rounds.

This is beyond outrageous; the public will certainly tone up their resentment against the CCP and their military-backed armed apparatus.
Once again, history precedents tend to suggest that single incidents like this one can quickly cartwheel into a major upheaval among the protesters, who up until now have been relatively peaceful in their activities.
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Oh, I didn't know you can't shoot a violent criminal because he's 18. In your country, what is the age at which you can start shooting at someone for trying to kill you with a molotov or steel club? LOLOL

The public resentment is completely towards rioters and how far they've gone without repercussion. The resentment towards the CCP is that they haven't put these violent thugs down after all this time. These criminals should have all been shot like they would be in the US long before they got this far. Relatively peaceful? Haha, relative to where, Somalia?

If historic precedents are to be followed, going far back, military suppression against the opposition is effective in uniting the country, hence every civil war in every country that had one. In the near term, I recall these rioters acting very tough until a gun goes off, then they all run like headless chickens.

Major upheaval? Yeah, against the CIA cronies who hired them and told them that they'd be safe no matter how violent they got. Maybe they'll up the price that the CIA needs to pay them since now they calculate the risk of death into the payment. For the idiots who go dragged into rioting as a way to let off steam, this is a major rethink against committing violent crimes that can get them shot to death.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
HK police just shot an 18-year-old with live rounds.

This is beyond outrageous; the public will certainly tone up their resentment against the CCP and their military-backed armed apparatus.
Once again, history precedents tend to suggest that single incidents like this one can quickly cartwheel into a major upheaval among the protesters, who up until now have been relatively peaceful in their activities.
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Let's be honest here; the use of lethal force by police against some of what the rioters have tried to pull would have long been sanctioned if this was in any other country.

I'm sure that the allies of the rioters and the media which enable them will tow a line of how much of an atrocity it is and so on, but we've all seen pictures and videos of what the rioters have tried to pull and they have literally written about marginal violence theory in the NY Times of all places.


Play deadly games and you will win deadly prizes. Thinking you are on the "right side of history" doesn't mean you have the right to attack law enforcement. The nature of a state is that the state has the legitimate right to use force; not the populace.
 
vincent

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SinoSoldier said:
HK police just shot an 18-year-old with live rounds.

This is beyond outrageous; the public will certainly tone up their resentment against the CCP and their military-backed armed apparatus.
Once again, history precedents tend to suggest that single incidents like this one can quickly cartwheel into a major upheaval among the protesters, who up until now have been relatively peaceful in their activities.
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Tell me, what was the moron holding in his hand?
 

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