Actually in the US riot police would have gone in on horseback or armored cars a lot sooner and would have fired live ammo at the rioters directly attacking police with lethal weapons.
Hong-Kong Protests
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Actually in the US riot police would have gone in on horseback or armored cars a lot sooner and would have fired live ammo at the rioters directly attacking police with lethal weapons.
She has blood on her hands.
solarz
Brigadier
I think you greatly underestimate the impact of the current HK unrest.
First of all, short of a Beijing intervention, there is no end game in sight. This means any foreign power can forment rebellion in HK and Beijing's hands would be tied due to 1c2s. This is a huge vulnerability and gives the initiative to China's opponents.
Second, beyond the violence itself, the unrest had revealed a deep anti-China sentiment among the HK populace, and what's more worrying is that they are overwhelmingly young people. These kids will not magically go away, and like it or not, there are tens of thousands of them that China will need to deal with sooner or later, and there are no good options on the table.
I do not believe 1c2s can continue to work. it was a good idea 20 years ago, when China was still weak and needed time to develop, but I think it has run its course.
It is time for China to recover HK in more than just name.
True but you are wrong IF you assume that China - being the most populous and one of the largest countries on the planet- is especially hurt and others are doing well.
1. Every Global power has some problems to content and bear with. Which country has no problems? US ? Russia? England? France?
US for example is vulnerable to demographic change ( and change of national psyche) with the projection of falling white populace (non hispanic) and increasing population of people of hispanic origin as well as people of colour ( Asians, Africans etc). It'd be pretty hard to convince me that this isn't an issue as it is. 2050 on-wards, USA is going to have an eventful second half century. It is NOT of an impending doom but of increased changes. China on the other hand is ... well relatively largely homogeneous. Even if China sees population decline ( marginal decline), it poses no threat to the national psyche. The same situation applies to France, Germany and England. All three are having considerable demographic changes. The 5th Pillar exists or has been introduced to all these countries ( US, France and England). They have their own HK in their hands. The pressure cooker hasn't set off its steam but lets wait a decade for that. The recent rise of right wing parties points to many eventful years after a decade to come.
2. 1C2S is good for China. HK is contained. HK cannot act as the fifth pillar since it is NOT fighting for Chinese but rather for their own selfish interests. It would be like Kashmir or West Bank or Chechen or the restive Ireland of the past( IRA ) or ... China needs to weaken the HK economy's influence on Mainland for sure, though.
3. The leaderless movement has its strengths and weaknesses. China ought to be studying this and acting appropriately. The violence only helps China by clearly dividing opinions.
4. I'd term incidents within mainland as more important to China than of incidents outside direct CCP control/influence.
5. HK has always had anti-China or anti-CCP inclinations. It isn't new. This goes way back.
Good, now that their mug shots would be taken, they would have a police record that will follow them for the rest of their lives, these boys and girls are screwed. Good luck in finding a decent job that requires a police check.
Employers should demand this background check as part of their hiring process to mitigate any risk. The events from past few weeks have proven that they are ungrateful, untrustworthy, sly and much too capable in causing violence, destruction and cruelty.
Absolutely I will! its funny, the thugs wanted to boycott everthing made in China as well as businesses supporting China.
One of the ways they are doing this is by spreading it on social media, using their made in. CHINA IPhones! The irony is too much for this plain old man! Lol
solarz
Brigadier
Let me just ask one question: how do you see this end?
A lot of the commenters here feel the unrest in HK is isolated and therefore has no ill effect upon China. While the former is true for now, the latter is not.
Up until now, the HK riots have had a galvanizing effect on the Chinese people, but without an endgame, this will eventually become cynicism.
Meanwhile, the patriotic citizens of HK will continue to have their lives disrupted, sometimes even put into physical danger. Some are already questioning the Central Government's inaction, and this number will inevitably swell. If Beijing waits too long, it will lose the good will of the patriotic citizens.
Jura The idiot
General
a really provocative picture in the middle of
Hong Kong in lockdown mode before mass illegal protests as defiant demonstrators aim to embarrass Beijing on National Day
Hong Kong in lockdown mode before mass illegal protests as defiant demonstrators aim to embarrass Beijing on National Day
- Police deploying about 6,000 officers, as multiple building managements across city take steps to protect premises and hunker down for violence
- Protesters declare day of mourning and plan demonstrations from city centre to Sha Tin, Sham Shui Po, Wong Tai Sin, Tsuen Wan and Tuen Mun