H-6 Bomber Aircraft Discussions

Nobonita Barua

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ougoah said:
China has no real capability to attack the US
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I thought China already has capability to strike US with ICBMs. I didn't get what real capability means.
From what i understand, using different platform enhances survival. However we are looking at the MAD scenario in that case.

ougoah said:
It really needs to stockpile huge numbers of these to remove American hawks even entertaining the idea of preliminary strike. At the moment its ICBM and warhead numbers may be a little precarious.
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I get the number theory. But in case of nuclear weapons, it's like saying both you & me are at point blank range. You have got a rifles,bombs, explosives while i only have a magazine.


Let us consider that that US nuclear warhead number isn't 5000, it's 50000. Do you think the "hawks" in their mind really want to test out who survives what?
Did you ever think that, publicly letting these "ideas" out is more of publicity stunt than reality?
5 h-bomb is enough to send US to stone age targeting their financial hubs. 300 is way over kill for cold war legacy era arsenal.
They also entertained the idea against USSR.
 
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Nobonita Barua said:
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Let us consider that that US nuclear warhead number isn't 5000, it's 50000. Do you think the "hawks" in their mind really want to test out who survives what?
Did you ever think that, publicly letting these "ideas" out is more of publicity stunt than reality?
5 h-bomb is enough to send US to stone age targeting their financial hubs. 300 is way over kill for cold war legacy era arsenal.
They also entertained the idea against USSR.
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No we don't! Stop with this war-mongering, right that moment!
 
Nobonita Barua

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Deino said:
No we don't! Stop with this war-mongering, right that moment!
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Sure.
I guess we, those who have gone though war & it's destruction like the one in 1971 & before, get pissed off when some other guys try to show off sitting in basement while trying to give advice about freedom
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I will leave it there.
 
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ougoah said:
The H-6? Not even close to US mainland. That's not the parallel with B-52. I'm referring to the constantly upgrading antique airframes with modern radars, sensors, comm tech, electronics etc. The modern H-6's internals are lightyears ahead of the Tu-16 or the earlier H-6s.

PLA needs something a class or two heavier than the JH-7A for air launched ordinance that J-16 and JH-7A cannot handle. These include air launched cruise missiles, heavier YJ series anti-surface, air launched ballistic missiles. The H-6 also has far superior payload capacity and range. Nothing else in PLA covers these capability gaps so the H-6 continues receiving upgrade developments, funding, and orders. At least until replacements are in production.

It's not about reaching US mainland. China has no real capability to attack the US and really would have no benefit in doing such a thing even if the capability is there. The H-6 is now a core part of China's defensive tactics in the SCS and western Pacific. They can also reach US bases in the region. If we're talking about MAD, China relies on ballistic missiles, HGVs, and SSBNs. It really needs to stockpile huge numbers of these to remove American hawks even entertaining the idea of preliminary strike. At the moment its ICBM and warhead numbers may be a little precarious. PLAN's SSBN numbers are also pathetic compared to the US but commensurate with other major nuclear powers. Obviously PLAN is waiting for 096 paired with improved JL-3s. JL-3s are impressive and ready like the DF-41 but China needs a lot more SSBNs and HGV equipped warheads or other MARVs (delivers superior results and survivability compared to MIRVs).

The H-6 itself isn't all that impressive even considering the upgrades but its utility is valuable.
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Interestingly the PLAAF had previously considered a 4-engined additional range version of their H-6 (designated the H-6I) and once even proposed a new 4-engine/6-engine called the H-8/H-8II. If built the H-8/H-8II would've probably been comparable with the Boeing B-52 and the Tupolev TU-95 and would give China intercontinental-bombing capabilities. Unfortunately for some reason none of them ever left the drawing board, so China is still stuck with their two-engined H-6 in 2020.
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The silver bomber is the H-6I, the one with green stripes is the H-8 while the yellow one is the H-6II.

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There are also a ton of proposed PLAAF aircraft included in this picture. I can recognize the J-9 as the plane with numbers on the nose in the bottom-left corner but I can't recognize the rest. Can anyone here recognize all of the planes in this picture?
 
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Nobonita Barua

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tupolevtu144 said:
Interestingly the PLAAF have considered a 4-engined additional range version of their H-6 (designated the H-6I) and once even designed a new 4-engine/6-engine intercontinental-range bomber called the H-8/H-8II. Unfortunately for some reason none of them ever left the drawing board.
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The silver bomber is the H-6I, the one with green stripes is the H-8 while the yellow one is the H-6II.

There are also a ton of proposed PLAAF aircraft included in this picture. I can recognize the J-9 as the plane with numbers on the nose bottom-left corner but I can't recognize the rest. Can anyone here recognize all of the planes in this picture?
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What engine they use for this ?
Are they using China made engine?
 
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tupolevtu144 said:
Interestingly the PLAAF had previously considered a 4-engined additional range version of their H-6 (designated the H-6I) and once even proposed a new 4-engine/6-engine called the H-8/H-8II. If built the H-8/H-8II would've probably been comparable with the Boeing B-52 and the Tupolev TU-95 and would give China intercontinental-bombing capabilities. Unfortunately for some reason none of them ever left the drawing board, so China is still stuck with their two-engined H-6 in 2020.
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The silver bomber is the H-6I, the one with green stripes is the H-8 while the yellow one is the H-6II.

Wikipedia: H-6I
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Wikipedia: H-8/H-8II
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There are also a ton of proposed PLAAF aircraft included in this picture. I can recognize the J-9 as the plane with numbers on the nose in the bottom-left corner but I can't recognize the rest. Can anyone here recognize all of the planes in this picture?
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tupolevtu144 said:
Interestingly the PLAAF had previously considered a 4-engined additional range version of their H-6 (designated the H-6I) and once even proposed a new 4-engine/6-engine called the H-8/H-8II. If built the H-8/H-8II would've probably been comparable with the Boeing B-52 and the Tupolev TU-95 and would give China intercontinental-bombing capabilities. Unfortunately for some reason none of them ever left the drawing board, so China is still stuck with their two-engined H-6 in 2020.
View attachment 63890
The silver bomber is the H-6I, the one with green stripes is the H-8 while the yellow one is the H-6II.

Wikipedia: H-6I
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Wikipedia: H-8/H-8II
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There are also a ton of proposed PLAAF aircraft included in this picture. I can recognize the J-9 as the plane with numbers on the nose in the bottom-left corner but I can't recognize the rest. Can anyone here recognize all of the planes in this picture?
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My guess for why they were not build would be:
1. Lack of funding
2. Lack of sufficiently powerful and mature engine
3. Doctrinal differences/shift
4. Plain old design obsolescence
 
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tupolevtu144 said:
Interestingly the PLAAF had previously considered a 4-engined additional range version of their H-6 (designated the H-6I) and once even proposed a new 4-engine/6-engine called the H-8/H-8II. If built the H-8/H-8II would've probably been comparable with the Boeing B-52 and the Tupolev TU-95 and would give China intercontinental-bombing capabilities. Unfortunately for some reason none of them ever left the drawing board, so China is still stuck with their two-engined H-6 in 2020.
View attachment 63890
The silver bomber is the H-6I, the one with green stripes is the H-8 while the yellow one is the H-6II.

Wikipedia: H-6I
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Wikipedia: H-8/H-8II
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There are also a ton of proposed PLAAF aircraft included in this picture. I can recognize the J-9 as the plane with numbers on the nose in the bottom-left corner but I can't recognize the rest. Can anyone here recognize all of the planes in this picture?
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H-6I did fly. Here it is on the ground. The reason of their termination was very clear, lack of usable engine. The Spey was just a place holder for domestic engine WS6 that did not materialize.
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dankris said:
My guess for why they were not build would be:
2. Lack of sufficiently powerful and mature engine
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That was the sole reason. The aircraft prototype had flown and met the basic requirement of PLAAF. The only thing uncertain was the domestic engine to replace Spey on the prototype, pretty much like WS-10 for J-20 replacing AL-31. But in H-6I's case WS6 was the first Chinese turbo-fan engine effort and it lacked funding (1970s).
 
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