pls post the vid here if possible
H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)
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Kindly share the video or the link to the video here.
There is no information available for analysis in the video. It only shows the traffic police stopping some civilian vehicles that were about to leave the highway near the road sign with the words "Yanliang" on it.
How about just share the video post link here instead?
Besides, how do you even know that the machine is about the H-20 when there is no information available from the video for analysis? The H-20 isn't the only new project that the XAC is working on either - Let alone the fact where Yanliang is the test and evaluation base for many other types of Chinese aircrafts.
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Firstly, this forum requires everyone to post in English. But since you're new here, that's fine.
Secondly, just as previously mentioned - Xi'an AC isn't only working on the H-20, and that Yanliang isn't only testing the H-20. Therefore, that "static test machine" can actually be for any other types of aircrafts currently getting worked/tested on at Yanliang.
Moreover, given how the information you've provided is just based on personal inference and neither from official/semi-official nor non-official sources which are reputable and reliable (i.e. the likes of Guancha Trios, Adorable Whale etc), plus without any substantial proof of what the video is about - There is no point in continuing this discussion based on empty information.
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well depends on what we are talking about here. What do you need to have access to have huge 55m long lightweight wings that can store a lot of fuel?
You cannot build a 52m long flywing bomber or UCAV if you don't have tech to keep the weight down on that. That's just a reality. Otherwise, the larger your wing gets, the heavier your aircraft is and 2 engines become not enough.
RQ-180 has lower requirement than WZ-X. 40m wing vs 52m wing. And if you look at the long end of wing. it goes without "body" for longer than B-2 so the structure and material has to be extremely light and strong to tolerate the force/load against it while also carry significant amount of fuel to allow for the longer range and radar antenna to be installed. So level of material science will also enable H-20 to be built to certain size with certain range and payload.
H-20 project keeps getting pushed back. I think J-36 really changed the requirement for H-20. If you already have a 6th gen aircraft with full 2IC range, then your strategic bomber needs to push for higher requirement. I have no idea what their requirements are, but CONUS is a reasonable path to take. So, then the question is how far can you push H-20's range and payload so that it can say hit Seattle or San Diego?
I think it's important to separate fly wing designs with just large passenger planes.
They've had experience now with GJ-11 for quite a while, so WZ-X isn't exactly new. But clearly, it's a far more ambitious product.
I use WZ-X as an example to point out the improvement that had to be made vs 10 years ago for them to just produce a prototype like this out of blue.
So, I think we can agree that new aircraft project that are ambitious should generally be considered difficult.
I just have a problem with B-2 to be considered an ambitious design using today's technology.
Goal for H-20 has to be more ambitious than B-2. And I would say its range and payload + EW/power requirement has to be a lot higher than B-21. When you have 4 engines instead of 2, all your requirements better go up.
Absolutely nothing. In fact, H-20 should be able to carry PL-17. After all, B-21 can carry AAMs also,
Perhaps a bit of a stretch, but I've observed a (possible) increased prevalence of the "Hi/Lo" mix for Chinese next-gen military platforms procurement.
Not in a strictly "more expensive/less expensive" sense, but in how both designs would cover the same core role but have their own specialisations to cover additional (secondary) roles that the other in the mix cannot, and furthermore covers both ends of the "revolutionary/conservative" design axis to hedge bets with unproven technologies.
Could it be possible that the anticipated bomber will also follow this doctrine, and so the conflicting rumours are the result of two separate designs being developed concurrently?
So we could be seeing both a subsonic and supersonic bomber emerge, with different characteristics in unrefueled range and payload. Both would be able to do the same core role (strike within 2IC), but one is specialised for it, while the other has capability to strike 3IC (or further).
There's also the possibility for unmanned drones to fit into this mix. The WZ-X we are seeing may be the B-2 equivalent, a subsonic bomber of a tried-and-true design for strike in the 2IC, while the H-20 is repurposed and redesigned for a more exotic role (like supersonic design, and strike 3IC or CONUS). Or there might be two manned bomber programmes.
Not in a strictly "more expensive/less expensive" sense, but in how both designs would cover the same core role but have their own specialisations to cover additional (secondary) roles that the other in the mix cannot, and furthermore covers both ends of the "revolutionary/conservative" design axis to hedge bets with unproven technologies.
- J-20 and J-35/A
- J-36 (J-XDC) and J-50 (J-XDS)
- Type-004 (new CVN) and Type-003a (Fujian sibling)
Could it be possible that the anticipated bomber will also follow this doctrine, and so the conflicting rumours are the result of two separate designs being developed concurrently?
So we could be seeing both a subsonic and supersonic bomber emerge, with different characteristics in unrefueled range and payload. Both would be able to do the same core role (strike within 2IC), but one is specialised for it, while the other has capability to strike 3IC (or further).
There's also the possibility for unmanned drones to fit into this mix. The WZ-X we are seeing may be the B-2 equivalent, a subsonic bomber of a tried-and-true design for strike in the 2IC, while the H-20 is repurposed and redesigned for a more exotic role (like supersonic design, and strike 3IC or CONUS). Or there might be two manned bomber programmes.