Global Powers Economic and Military influence throughout History

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: US media claimed: Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao critized the US

So hoping all companies to be socially responsible is like wishing man to thrive in a communistic society. I got 3 words for you: against human nature.
Thats where I think trade protection can be handy.
However many companies do in fact see advantages in being seen as socially responsible while others become overly engrossed with the bottom line.Oil Companies and Banks spring to mind.

A couple of yrs ago I read in "Time Magazine" how even in "cut throat" China a power company in Peking/Shanghai? ( Ive forgotten which) was giving discounted or free electricty to the most needy.( I think there was a huge increase in power charges at the time)The numbers involved were thousands.

So unless there has been a complete attitudinal shift, previous studies showing that most people react positively to companies they see as good than to bad companies must still be relevant.


I believe there will always be jobs that don't need an advanced degree in a developed economy. High-tech/science is the first thing on my mind since I'm in this field. If history teaches us anything, we seem to always find ways out of trouble.

Seems like you are relying on hope. I dont see that as an option.

In the West many of the younger people move away from the blue collar jobs or skilled trades because of lack of opportunities.After being bombarded with advice from school counsellors, many see a terrtiary qualification as the key. As a result many of the less scholastically inclined undertake a plethora of college courses that "are as useful as a bull with tits" when it comes to job placement.
Jobless and with the added burden of student debt, it isnt surprising that resentment is exacerbated and directed at the cause of their problems..... loss of jobs to cheaper developing countries.
The possibility of the lowering of standards is ever present with the" bums on seats" policy pursued by many universities. Consequently there are so many people graduating with bachelors degrees , employers in sorting out the wheat from the chaff are hiring people with "masters". just for entry level work. Eg I know people with a masters in computer science doing work where just a few years ago a person with a certified Microsoft diploma was doing.






I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this way. It sounds like this is an established theory. By what measure is it considered a failure? History shows virtually all developed economy went through the same thing and no current economy has found an alternative method that allows them to achieve the same kind of success. So how did people figure out this theory is a failure???

I dont know whether it would be a universal thing or not, but social economists in NZ had determined that expected trickle down was not happening. It was illustrated by the increasing economic disparity between the classes.
and people with wealth, rather than being "a big fish in a small pond" went off overseas for business ventures.
So while trickle down may work in the developing world, it doesn't always appear to be the case in countries with a 1st world economy that need a bit of fixing.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Re: US media claimed: Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao critized the US

I think many African states are controlled by warlords who can't see beyond a truck loads of guns and cash. If a new crop of leaders with vision/nation builders were to emerge, I think China can build longstanding goodwill by teaching the Africans how to do things by themselves. Initially tech transfer during the course of building up the infrastructure, then moving on in technology for job creation, in much the same way China asked of the West.

So... your idea of pulling Africa out of poverty and chaos is to... wait until they produce good leaders? Seriously?

China isn't in Africa for charity either, they're there to do business. Economic development is what will pull people out of poverty, not charity.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: US media claimed: Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao critized the US

So... your idea of pulling Africa out of poverty and chaos is to... wait until they produce good leaders? Seriously?

China isn't in Africa for charity either, they're there to do business. Economic development is what will pull people out of poverty, not charity.

No Im not suggesting they pull out, merely thinking of an ideal situation, where China wont get branded as just another neo colonialist.


@Schumacher

In response to your posted article on handouts to africa.

The writer seems to have forgotten Zimbabwe: where prior to Mugabe it was agriculturally self sustaining, and more than capable of supplying excess to neigbouring countries.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Re: US media claimed: Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao critized the US

No Im not suggesting they pull out, merely thinking of an ideal situation, where China wont get branded as just another neo colonialist.

Actually, what you suggested, China had been doing for decades prior to 1980s. Didn't help Africa any, and certainly didn't help China, at least not economically.

Like I said, China is in Africa to do business, not give charity.
 

Schumacher

Senior Member
Re: US media claimed: Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao critized the US

No Im not suggesting they pull out, merely thinking of an ideal situation, where China wont get branded as just another neo colonialist.

@Schumacher

In response to your posted article on handouts to africa.

The writer seems to have forgotten Zimbabwe: where prior to Mugabe it was agriculturally self sustaining, and more than capable of supplying excess to neigbouring countries.

It's mainly just western interest groups branding China as neo-colonialist so you need not worry too much. It basically means China is making good progress in Africa competing with Western interests there. More competition can only be good for Africa.
The writer is fair. She didn't let African leaders get away scott-free, just highlighting the major role of the west in the major problems. Mugabe is no genius but western sanctions play much if not bigger role in Zimbabwe's devastation, and we haven't even gone into the root cause of Zimbabwe's problem left over from colonial days.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
It seems Africa is like the meat in the sandwich. Caught between the destructive agriculture polices of the West on one side and China's manufacturing ability on the other.


From George Ayittey the Economist Debates Link on Post 39

........"Further, China's engagement has devastated local industries in Lesotho, Nigeria and Zambia. In Nigeria, the influx of Chinese products has destroyed Kano's manufacturing sector. In 1982, 500 factories churned out textile products in Kano, but fewer than 100 remain operational today, most at far less than full capacity. In South Africa, the textile union says some 100,000 jobs have been lost as Chinese synthetic fabrics replace cotton prints in street markets across Africa."
 
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