Germany Carl Zeiss, heart of Dutch ASML Lithography Equipment.

tidalwave said:

And also I am not argue with anyone who's trying to argue for the sake of argument without the necessay technical knowledge.it's a waste of time!

Click to expand...

Inquisition of evidence is arguing for the sake of argument? LOL No, it's a universal requirement regardless of technical knowledge. "I know more than you on this subject so you believe whatever I tell you without proof" is an argument that is acceptable in no scientific field but only in religion. That logic and making claims without evidence is a waste of time.

tidalwave said:

Looking back. Huawei has the best chance of starting the IDM fab business in 2009, the last economic crisia So many Semiconductor companies folded at the time , tons of fab engineers available on the market. Huawei missed the chance on that one. It's like not like now where Chinese companies have to overbid taiwnawse and Korean engineers 5or 6 times the salary to draw them to China . Had they even attempted that, they would be much better on control of their destiny now.

Huawei is hoping and praying US government won't go down this route this time

Click to expand...

Did you also advise HW just so back in 2009?

Such above useless argument. Eyesores indeed.


Anyway, Huawei definitely should go into IDM in 2009 and earlier meaning his business should diversify into becoming more than communication.It has a chance to become a Semiconductor component supplier as well. Had they done that, Huawei not only number 1 communication but also number 1 analog/digital chip supplier.

It ahouls able wipe out majority of the smaller US chip suppliers inside China.

Because its known as Fabless and buy a tons of US chips, it give US government blueprint to attack them. US government saw an opening.

Had Huawei got Fabs and is a dominant chip supplier inside China, US government would never gone this path.

zgx09t said:

Did you also advise HW just so back in 2009?

Click to expand...

They didn't even know what they did wrong.
They kept saying before that they are fully prepared, has backup. I don't think so.

Talk about missed opportunity. Right now what hot is automotive ICs. Tesla has a factory in Shanghai and it can't use Huawei and most other Chinese chips because those chips not optimized for automotive industrial usage. The process for those IC is different, much tighter and stringent. Also automotive chips have specialized functions
Most automotive supplier has their own Fabs to tweak their specialized process. At least for convenient to R&D if it got own fab. It cannot use generic vanila fabless process.

That's another area Huawei miss the boat by being Fabless and not aiming to be full blown chip supplier across the board. Its doable but it has spend alot of time and effort to work with the fab house to tweak the process

Samsung is jumping all over automotive grade IC because they got their own process down.

And automotive IC doesn't require EUV. So no excuse over there

So who has the next best chance besides HW to pull this off?

zgx09t said:

So who has the next best chance besides HW to pull this off?

Click to expand...

The ole Chinese saying, self criticism and acknowledge its mistake first.
Because as of now, they still think they are tough and keep on doing what they doing.

Going at this rate with as much flaws as you mentioned here, for how long can HW hold out and survive? Couple years?

zgx09t said:

Going at this rate with as much flaws as you mentioned here, for how long can HW hold out and survive? Couple years?

Click to expand...

That depends. If they hire tidalwave here and give him a position equal to Ren, then Huawei will become the most powerful tech company in the world with the best semiconductors and EUV equipment in short order. Probably TSMC, ASML, Qualcomm, Samsung, etc... will all be dead before Christmas. Now if they don't and keep ignoring his emails... I'm afraid the future is grim. Huawei probably will close before I finish typing this comment, and all technology in China will collapse. And Huawei's so stupid, they're still acting tough earning rising profits and making all the 5G equipment as usual when they should be providing tidalwave with the evidence he needs by halting production and incurring losses. Aren't we lucky to have such an earth-changing prodigy here on this forum telling us things without the need for evidence? LOLOL

Let's all pitch in and make this fella feel better as he comes here to vent his multiple failures at partnering with Huawei or he might take his prodigious talents elsewhere! Then China will really be in trouble!

First of all, I am already financial secure, ready to retire in few yrs.
No need to get hired. So don't make any stupid assumptions, fool.

You can tell amateur guys trying to get cute . But their satires not withstanding without solid understanding in that field.
Just a silly clown.

Now back to real issue.
If TSMC out, Huawei will eventually need to give up their leading edge cellphone business.

There are plenty of other fields that Huawei can transition to survive and propser without EUV technology.

One of them is automotive IC. Need tons IC for electric car motor control, torque converter, fluid control, battery charge control. Currently, no Chinese players!!

Also the ventilator , needs special mix signal BiCmos chip. Again no Chinese player.

In order to get in that field, they need invest in Mix signal Fabs. Those are not leading edge fab. Equipments can be acquired.

Huawei just needs to see that and expand into those fields.
Not just hang itself in the communication field