Gaokao: China's National College Entrance Exam


Bltizo

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Yet pro-Chinese posters here get to render their opinions and repeat state propaganda verbatim (plawolf, solarz and others) and those are accepted as normal, natural and the way things are with no similar requirement of proof.

You hold me to a standard that you do not hold the pro-Chinese faction of this board to. This is a 2 decades old internet debate tactic, a very dishonest one. One impossible to meet standard for me, while you sit back and force me to do massive amounts of work to challenge the bias on this forum.

Then you make no such demand of the pro-Chinese posters.

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You wrote I claimed "Chinese are all cheaters"

ALL

Please search my post for the word "ALL" It is not there.
This is hard to do, as the pro-China bias of this board has deleted the posts again.


If you are inserting words into my posts that I do not write, discussion is impossible for you are simply creating things out of thin air.

If I wanted to claim that ALL Chinese engaged in an activity then the word ALL would be in my post. It is not.

What I am claiming is that this behaviour is widespread and if you read any Chinese media, or lived in China, or knew the education industry in China and the USA, you would be able to acknowledge that this is a huge issue. SAT tests have been stolen TWICE and made their way around the country to such an extent that the College Board has had to suspend administration of the tests in recent years.

This is such an issue that North American schools are very skeptical about Chinese student tests scores, and this stance is industry-wide. Many Chinese show up with an excellent TOEFL score and upon review are incapable of the most basic English language skills.

If that is not the very definition of 'widespread', then what is?
I chose my words very carefully -- I said you were "basically saying "Chinese are all cheaters lololol"" -- I'm very aware that you've never used those exact words, however anyone reading the posts that you've been making both in this thread and other threads can only logically interpret it as you making sweeping negative generalizations towards the Chinese as a group.

To be honest I really couldn't care less if you or anyone else chooses to make generalizations like that, or whether you think you are making it or not, but if your posts are getting deleted, well that is the most likely reason.

As for other pro-Chinese individuals -- if they make negative genearlizations towards other groups in the explicit way and consistent pattern that you have, then mods will pick up on them as well. I've been here a while, and it's not exactly a rare occurrence. I've also called out other pro-China members who've made posts which I think are in poor taste, but I'm not a mod so I have no incentive nor any obligation to castigate everyone on both sides for every single post which infringes on the rules or which infringes on poor taste, especially if I know pro-China members who make posts in poor taste will also be chewed out by individuals on the other side.
More importantly, there are only so many mods, and there will always be posts on both sides of the fence that fall between the cracks. Unfortunately for you, I think there are a large proportion of your posts which tend to fit the pattern of being inflammatory either through constant edging on political topics, offensive generalizations, whereas most other people here who may occasionally make posts in poor form generally contribute in other constructive ways as well.

Still, if you feel like you've been slighted somehow by the moderating team then you can try to complain to them or argue that you think justice has not been dispensed properly or evenly.

For instance, you can put your complaints to this thread here if you really want: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/sd-forum-suggestions-and-questions.t2846/page-31#post-407250

Accusing the mods of unjustly censoring you, accusing members are spouting propaganda left and right, throwing out offensive generalizations, and having virtually all of your posts have a political anti-Chinese or anti-CCP edge, will have its consequences on this forum because this forum is tightly regulated to keep discussion as insulated from toxic political subjects as possible.
If you want the forum to change the rules, or if you disagree with what constitutes politically acceptable on this forum then you can try to ask the moderating team, or you can find a different forum with rules which are more lax.
 
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solarz

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You cannot read. I wrote that this is about the tendency of students to cheat on the GaoKao, AND the TOEFL, AND the SAT.
No dude. You said:

Cheating is rampant.
CCP members would get multiple fake ID's, get a smart friend to sit for it, and pass so they could go to Tsinghua or Beijing Normal or such.
You didn't say "so they could go to Harvard or Princeton", you said "Tsinghua or Beijing".

So stop lying.

When two students tell you to your face HOW they will cheat on the GaoKao and TOEFL, that is proof.
Sure, two kids telling you some BS is proof of rampant cheating among CCP members.

You keep believing that, it only makes you look more ridiculous.
 

vesicles

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As a person working in academia, I would like to weigh in.

Question #1: is there cheating in China among Chinese students?
Answer: Yes. In graduate school, I had plenty classmates from China telling me different ways that Chinese students could use to get perfect GRE / TOFEL scores. Later on when perfect scores became suspicious, there came ways to allow you to get whatever scores you desire.

Question #2: is there cheating in the US among American students?
Answer: Yes. I have heard stories about cheating when I was in high school, college and graduate school in the US. I am now a professor at a prestigious medical school in the US. We have a very elaborate system to prevent cheating at our school. It's so high tech and elaborate that it sounds more like a spy movie... Such system has to be implemented because there is cheating. And the system changes on a yearly basis. So apparently, students have been working hard to beat the system.

Keep in mind that only the best of the best college students get admitted to medical schools. Last year, the average GPA of newly admitted students to our school was 3.92 out of 4. So even the best students cheat.

What can we say about all this? Cheating happens everywhere, China, the US, and everywhere else on this planet. Fortunately, only a very small percentage of the population cheats. Vast vast majority of the students are honest. This applies everywhere. Unless there is reliable statistics on it, no one can definitively say cheating occurs more often in one place than others. All this subjective opinion won't get us anywhere.
 
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Equation

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No dude. You said:



You didn't say "so they could go to Harvard or Princeton", you said "Tsinghua or Beijing".

So stop lying.



Sure, two kids telling you some BS is proof of rampant cheating among CCP members.

You keep believing that, it only makes you look more ridiculous.
nfgc is a known China hating troll in other forums and even online article comments so now ya know where he/she comes from.:rolleyes:
 

bd popeye

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I think a Chinese in this case will take the university and join the armed forces afterwards if they want, a graduate from a civilian university (in China) is regarded as commissioned officer just like from a military college, of course an extra basic military training will be needed. Of course, I am not judging your choice.
That is what I should have done. Gone to Ohio State then join the military as a commissioner officer..Can't do anything about that now...I'm 65 years old..

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Well now, it's that time of year..Gaokao. The Chinese college entrance exam...

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Why do the parents get so hyped up?

Parents take photos of examinees at the High School Affiliated to Renmin University of China in Beijing, capital of China, June 7, 2019. China's national college entrance examination, or Gaokao, started Friday this year. (Xinhua/Shen Bohan)

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Examinees enter a gaokao venue in Beijing on June 7. [Photo by Wang Zhuangfei/chinadaily.com.cn]

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She's looks so stressed

Examinees enter a gaokao venue in Beijing on June 7. [Photo by Wang Zhuangfei/chinadaily.com.cn]

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she appears relaxed

An examinee enters a gaokao venue in Beijing on June 7. [Photo by Wang Zhuangfei/chinadaily.com.cn]

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"Worry is a down payment on something that has not happened yet"..well known US Evangelist.

Parents wait outside a gaokao venue in Beijing on June 7. [Photo by Wu Xiaohui/chinadaily.com.cn]
 
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Gaokao examinees celebrate after finishing the national college entrance exam at Wudang Middle School in Guiyang, capital of southwest China's Guizhou Province, June 8, 2019. (Xinhua/Tao Liang)

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Examinees celebrate with their teacher after finishing the national college entrance exam at the No.1 Middle School in Changsha, central China's Hunan Province, June 8, 2019. (Xinhua/Xue Yuge)

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Examinees leave the exam venue after finishing the national college entrance exam at the No.1 Middle School in Changsha, central China's Hunan Province, June 8, 2019. (Xinhua/Xue Yuge)

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Can someone translate the sign? Thanks!

Parents wait for examinees outside the exam venue at the No.1 Middle School in Changsha, central China's Hunan Province, June 8, 2019. (Xinhua/Xue Yuge)

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Parents and examinees celebrate after the national college entrance exam at the No.2 Middle School in Yinchuan, capital of northwest China's Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, June 8, 2019. (Xinhua/Feng Kaihua)

 
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bd popeye

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A question: How long does it take to get the exam results?

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Teachers cheer for examinees at an exam venue at the Experimental Middle School in Zoucheng City, east China's Shandong province, June 7, 2019. China's national college entrance examination, or Gaokao, started Friday this year. (Xinhua/Wang Qisheng)

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A mother gives encouragement to his son at an exam venue at the No. 1 Middle School in Jingzhou County, central China's Hunan province, June 7, 2019. China's national college entrance examination, or Gaokao, started Friday this year. (Xinhua/Liu Jiehua)

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A teacher (R) cheers for examinees at an exam venue at the No. 10 Middle School in Guiyang, capital of southwest China's Guizhou province, June 7, 2019. China's national college entrance examination, or Gaokao, started Friday this year. (Xinhua/Zhang Hui)

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An examinee snuggles with her family member after exam at an exam venue at the No. 1 Middle School in Yiyuan County, Zibo City, east China's Shandong province, June 7, 2019. China's national college entrance examination, or Gaokao, started Friday this year. (Xinhua/Zhao Dongshan)

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Examinees leave the exam venue at the No. 1 Middle School in Liuyang City, central China's Hunan province, June 7, 2019. China's national college entrance examination, or Gaokao, started Friday this year. (Xinhua/Peng Hongxia)

 

FriedRiceNSpice

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Well cheating happens in the US too for SAT, they even made a movie about it. And at least at my university, cheating occurred on a widespread basis too. This isn't only a Chinese problem, but a problem in any competitive academic environment. Back when I was a young, stupid, and a broke college student, doing extra programming projects and homework assignments became a lucrative source if extra income. Our school had a machine learning program that processes all students code submissions to detect cheating, so each time I had to come up with a different solution or structure of code, so in a way it actually made me a better programmer too!
 

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