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ficker22

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It's an internet meme apparantly.
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It's surprising even South Koreans can understand it:
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Probably not North Koreans though I'm guessing, as they've more thoroughly gotten rid of hanja in their writing than South Korea.
I mean, that actually is a soft power win i guess? Hiragana and katakana are ugly anyway.
 

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I think this Japanese couple lives in Perth. Anyway:
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風呂 is probably the really tricky one, I know it means bath from reading manga. I like this guy's reply:
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Which is actually pretty profound if you think about it. To be fair if you translate local dialects word by word into written Chinese a lot of times it does look just like ancient Chinese. As a Shanghainese for example if I were to tell my wife I'll be back for dinner tonight at 7PM it will be something like:
"我今朝夜头七点钟回来吃饭”
The mundane answer is that written Japanese literally evolved from Classical Chinese. Even as recent as Meiji era, formal Japanese writing is written in a form that can be mechanically translated into something resembling Classical Chinese. This no longer quite hold with modern written Japanese, but that explains why it's even possible for people to do this in the first place.

The pseudo-Chinese form of Japanese is not quite "just strip out kana and call it a day". The writer basically had to go out of their way to pick sino-xenic vocabulary, and render a lot of stuff that would be normally be written in kana into kanji. The translation required (which is more or less the inverse of the process that turns Classical Chinese into something parseable in Japanese) gives the impression that modern written Japanese resembles Classical Chinese when it really doesn't, at least not without some serious eye-squinting.

Not too bad for something that originally came from a certain gay p*rn's appreciation community, I suppose. Incidentally, this is why the corpus of Pseudo-Chinese contains a suspicious amount of "射爆" and "谢谢茄子".

As for local dialect looking like Classical Chinese when written out, I guess that just comes down to natural evolution of language, where some dialects are more conservative than others. Of course, this invite the sort of w*nkfest such as "hurr durr my dialect retains more sounds and features from þe olde Chinese, therefore I am real Chinese, and you are barbarian and not real Chinese huehuehue" from a certain group of people.
 
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These are mostly true. China is very hard to visit even for overseas Chinese. It is not about just Americans. A solid mistake by China in my opinion. The US has assassinated China's reputation since 2017. Promoting international tourism was a no brainer measure against this in addition to its obvious benefits for China's economy. China did the opposite.

 

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The French probably didn't realize they got a free Indian marketing department when they sold the Rafales
When they said Demographics dividend, I didn't think it mean legions of unemployed frustrated young men thumping chests for French warplanes and screaming Jai Hind online all day.....
 

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These are mostly true. China is very hard to visit even for overseas Chinese. It is not about just Americans. A solid mistake by China in my opinion. The US has assassinated China's reputation since 2017. Promoting international tourism was a no brainer measure against this in addition to its obvious benefits for China's economy. China did the opposite.

I agree with this. There is a world of difference in difficulty in entering Hong Kong/Macau and China. China is a headache to get into, especially now right after the lockdowns and there's a glut of demand.
 

ficker22

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These are mostly true. China is very hard to visit even for overseas Chinese. It is not about just Americans. A solid mistake by China in my opinion. The US has assassinated China's reputation since 2017. Promoting international tourism was a no brainer measure against this in addition to its obvious benefits for China's economy. China did the opposite.

China really has to use the overseas chinese more profundly, I know many who dont have proper connection to china or chinese anymore since they are 2nd or even 3rd gen and some never ever have been there in their whole lives.


Same applies to some turkish and arab 2nd gen I know.
 
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ficker22

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I agree with this. There is a world of difference in difficulty in entering Hong Kong/Macau and China. China is a headache to get into, especially now right after the lockdowns and there's a glut of demand.
We have a residence permit that we got pre covid in 2019 for 5 years and even that only through connections and because one of my relatives has a chinese national spouse.
Applying for it pre covid was already stupidly bureaucratic , can't imagine it got any easier since then.


Funny thing is I personally never got a chance to use it, planned originally to go to uni in china maybe but then covid came and by the time it "ended" I enrolled in a German uni, so practically I never made use of the permit.
 

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We have a residence permit that we got pre covid in 2019 for 5 years and even that only through connections and because one of my relatives has a chinese national spouse.
Applying for it pre covid was already stupidly bureaucratic , can't imagine it got any easier since then.


Funny thing is I personally never got a chance to use it, planned originally to go to uni in china maybe but then covid came and by the time it "ended" I enrolled in a German uni, so practically I never made use of the permit.
Were you planning to go for bachelor's or masters?
 

ficker22

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Were you planning to go for bachelor's or masters?
Bachelor's, I finished High school in 2020 and in 2019. I made a plan with a 3rd gen chinese friend of mine to study in China and if study doesnt work, at least live there (Zhejiang) for a year or something and learn the language with him, now I only know how to swear in Wu chinese thanks to my friend.


My live situation (Student, not really rich, a contract) doesnt allow me to travel to China most likely for the next few years sadly.
 

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Bachelor's, I finished High school in 2020 and in 2019. I made a plan with a 3rd gen chinese friend of mine to study in China and if study doesnt work, at least live there (Zhejiang) for a year or something and learn the language with him, now I only know how to swear in Wu chinese thanks to my friend.


My live situation (Student, not really rich, a contract) doesnt allow me to travel to China most likely for the next few years sadly.
That sucks, I want to go to China too although for holiday rather than for learning the language. Hopefully things will die down by December so I don't have to queue to get the visa.

It might not be ideal, but I firmly believe we can still learn the language to a high level with the resources and technology available to us today, without stepping foot in China/Taiwan.
 
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