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now noticed this Exclusive: Canada could make it harder for U.S. to win fighter bid - sources

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Canada is discussing changes to a multibillion-dollar fighter jet procurement process that could make it harder for a U.S. company to win the order as trade relations between the neighbors sour, two sources with direct knowledge of the discussions said.

Canada is considering whether to penalize companies from countries that have caused it economic damage, the sources said on Wednesday. While a final decision is not expected before next year and the threat could be posturing, the move shows how the Trump administration’s trade disputes are spilling over into other areas.

A spokeswoman for federal Procurement Minister Carla Qualtrough - who has overall responsibility for major purchases of military equipment - declined to comment. Sources declined to be identified as the discussions are confidential.

Boeing Co’s (
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) F-18 Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin Corp’s (
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) F-35 fighter were among the favorites to capture the contract to supply 88 planes, worth between C$15 billion ($11.3 billion) and C$19 billion.

Defense sources have long said the Canadian air force would prefer an American-built jet, citing the importance of operating easily with U.S. armed forces.

But a change in procurement terms would give more of a chance to European suppliers: Airbus SE (
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), which makes the Eurofighter; Saab AB (
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), which makes the Gripen; and Dassault Aviation (
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), which makes the Rafale.

Defense sources, however, say the European jets are likely to become obsolete by around 2040, at which point they could no longer incorporate the latest technologies.

Canada has been trying unsuccessfully for almost a decade to buy replacements for its aging F-18 fighters, some of which are 40 years old. The former Conservative administration said in 2010 it would buy 65 F-35 jets but later scrapped the decision, triggering years of delays and reviews.

Ottawa has already said bids will be evaluated in part by examining whether firms competing for the order have caused any past economic damage to Canada. Officials said at the time this was aimed at Boeing, which last year launched a trade challenge against Canadian planemaker Bombardier Inc (
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Government officials are now discussing whether Canada should also consider economic damage caused by governments, a clear reference to worsening relations with Washington, said the sources.

“Politically it’s hard to spend billions of dollars on contracts with a country that’s hurting you,” said one of the sources, who asked to remain anonymous given the extreme sensitivity of the situation.

However, the sources emphasized that the discussions are at an early stage and Ottawa could eventually decide to drop the proposed language.

Canada - which is due to release the exact specifications for the jets next year - has not yet finished work on the clause referring to economic damage caused by a single firm.

U.S. President Donald Trump last month slapped tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum, prompting Canada to announce its own retaliatory measures. Trump has also threatened tariffs on Canadian autos, which could badly hurt the economy.

Ottawa froze talks with Boeing about the fighter jet contest but after the company’s trade challenge against Bombardier failed, Canadian officials made clear the firm would not be discriminated against if it chose to bid.
 

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related to Dec 21, 2016
is (LOL I don't post the headline)
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That's sad, but the pilot rode it all the way home! so I'm very happy about that....on a high note the Air Force and the Marines have updated their threat data base to include the Chengdu J-20 and the Sukhoi Su-57 and Su-35! so the bad boys better watch out! (oh, that's right, they won't see it coming will they),,,, BWAAAA, HHHAAAAAAAA, HHHHHAAAAAAaaaaaaa, HHHHHAAAAAaa!

Evil Laugh! BBBWWWAAAA, HHHHAAAAAA, HHHAAAAAAA!
Alot of confusion going in the international defence analyst community regarding sales of F-35 to Turkiye....

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Air Force Brat

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Actually both of these posts are correct, the 1st F-35 has been delivered, and in the future at least two will be flown to Luke AFB, the F-35 school house.... the way this works is that all the F-35s are in a "pool" and Turkish Pilots and Maintainers may fly and work on US birds and Us Pilots might fly Turkish birds...

The aircraft are scheduled according to who needs them, and whose aircraft are available for that mission..

Some of our forum Dudes are always exclaiming the US is "scared, worried, crying, angry, or blah!, blah!, blah!

In this situation the US is fully prepared to push Turkey out of the F-35 partnership if Turkey acquires those S-400s...

The USAF is conducting business as usual and will indeed train those Turkish Pilots and Maintainers,,, they are free to do so, but the Senate has voted, the bill will go to the house, and if the house gets their act together, they will block delivery of those birds to "Turkish Airspace"! as well they should...
 

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now noticed this Exclusive: Canada could make it harder for U.S. to win fighter bid - sources

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Really??, Justin's little campaign promise not to buy the F-35 is at the root of all this nonsense, and in general explains the issue between the US and Canada!

Canada was a full F-35 partner, the libby's put pressure on and got the deal canceled,,,,, that's simple, now pull ALL those F-35 contracts and re-award them to a real F-35 partner! deal done, let Canada find her own birds
 

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Actually both of these posts are correct, the 1st F-35 has been delivered, and in the future at least two will be flown to Luke AFB, the F-35 school house.... the way this works is that all the F-35s are in a "pool" and Turkish Pilots and Maintainers may fly and work on US birds and Us Pilots might fly Turkish birds...

The aircraft are scheduled according to who needs them, and whose aircraft are available for that mission..

Some of our forum Dudes are always exclaiming the US is "scared, worried, crying, angry, or blah!, blah!, blah!

In this situation the US is fully prepared to push Turkey out of the F-35 partnership if Turkey acquires those S-400s...

The USAF is conducting business as usual and will indeed train those Turkish Pilots and Maintainers,,, they are free to do so, but the Senate has voted, the bill will go to the house, and if the house gets their act together, they will block delivery of those birds to "Turkish Airspace"! as well they should...
As if the House will actually contradict Mattis.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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As if the House will actually contradict Mattis.

Secretary Mattis serves at the "pleasure" of the President of the United States, the executive branch of Government, the US Congress is the Legislative Branch of Government...

Secretary Mattis follows orders from the President, if congress brings him a bill, and he signs it, Secretary Mattis will be a good soldier and follow orders,,, "Semper Fidelis"!
 

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Captain
Secretary Mattis serves at the "pleasure" of the President of the United States, the executive branch of Government, the US Congress is the Legislative Branch of Government...

Secretary Mattis follows orders from the President, if congress brings him a bill, and he signs it, Secretary Mattis will be a good soldier and follow orders,,, "Semper Fidelis"!

That depends on whether you think the House will listen to Chaos, or some silly half baked idea from the Senate.
 
two more links, now what DefenseAero also brought this month:

Lockheed’s ALIS Implies New Threats to National Sovereignty
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and

Fully 74% of Export F-35s Delivered Until 2023 Are Obsolete
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I've heard of both issues (LOL non-issues for some) before
 
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