F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

TerraN_EmpirE

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Yes useful for stealth missions and have a good range he have but remains interesting have FTs with it you win for range 25 - 30 %, much more fuel but greater weight to move.
Planned for Block 4 normaly in 2021,1612 l FTs.
480 gal fuel tanks, and the Israelis are looking at 600 gal.
however the internal capacity of F35C is pretty significant. I mean the Rafale has a listed internal capacity of only 10,360 lb That means F35C is already packing in almost double the fuel load.
 
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Dec 24, 2016

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and After Trump Meeting, Lockheed CEO Vows to ‘Significantly’ Cut F-35 Cost
After emerging from a meeting Friday with President-elect Donald Trump, the chief executive officer of defense contracting giant Lockheed Martin Corp. vowed to “significantly” cut the cost of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program.

“We had the opportunity to talk to him about the F-35 program and I certainly share his views that we need to get the best capability to our men and women in uniform and we have to get it at the lowest possible price,” Marillyn Hewson told reporters in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York City, according to a pool report.

“So I’m glad I had the opportunity to tell him that we are close to a deal that will bring the cost down significantly from the previous lot of aircraft to the next lot of aircraft and moreover it’s going to bring a lot of jobs to the United States,” she said.

Hewson added, “In fact we are going to increase our jobs in Fort Worth by 1,800 jobs and when you think about the supply chain across 45 states in the U.S., it’s going to be thousands and thousands of jobs. And I also had the opportunity to give him some ideas on things we think we can do to continue to drive the cost down on the F-35 program so it was a great meeting.”

Trump last month said the costs of the acquisition effort — the Pentagon’s largest and estimated to cost roughly $400 billion for nearly 2,500 aircraft for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps — were “out of control” and suggested that he may consider
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made by competitor Boeing Co.

Hewson met with Trump before Christmas and pledged to revamp the program. “I’ve heard his message loud and clear about reducing the cost of the F-35,” she said at the time. “I gave him my personal commitment to drive the cost down aggressively.”

Of course, Air Force generals who work on the program have already said procurement costs are decreasing as
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and that a fourth-generation aircraft — no matter how many new sensors and weapons it’s equipped with —
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against the fifth-generation stealth fighter.
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time to see the numbers now
 

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I think interesting but they forget an important things F-35 with her system for look around on 360° and Mainly her capacity to fired on a target without look her ( offset target ? in French visée déportée as the gun which " shoot in the corners " ) even if he is less agile the last/future blocks a little better but sure remains a gap with Su-35 with this capacity F-35 can compete

But remains a problem AIM-9X better than AIM-120C/D to short range is only disponible externaly with Block 3i/2018-19 and internaly right now i have only AIM-120.

OT the F-22 is more agile turn more fast and clearly than F-35 in more one other advantage with her SC of mach 1,8 ( the best T-50 mach 1.6 ) have more energy usefull for VWR combat and beat Su-35 normaly also T-50 but the match is very closed, remins US pilots are more trained coz they fly minimum 180 h/year NATO rules and even 200 h Russians fly in 2016 in average 120 h.

 

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I hate those Defence Update videos, They are always leaving out details and information and despite the claim of no Bias they are very bias.

But are you aware about it

F-35 with her system for look around on 360° and Mainly her capacity to fired on a target without look her ( offset target ? in French visée déportée as the gun which " shoot in the corners " )


I have read in a paper mag but confirm you o_O
 
I hate those Defence Update videos, They are always leaving out details and information and despite the claim of no Bias they are very bias.
LOL I noticed but was preparing the post in Syria Thread so I just thought like Unbiased OK I know who wins ... here I would guess F-35 beats Su-35 in the vid, right? since the source isn't Sputnik then the outcome would be just reversed ROFL
 

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LOL I noticed but was preparing the post in Syria Thread so I just thought like Unbiased OK I know who wins ... here I would guess F-35 beats Su-35 in the vid, right? since the source isn't Sputnik then the outcome would just reversed ROFL
No 50/50 but considering Fleet number with price...in fact to BVR normaly F-35 win and opposite for VWR about much parameters for A2A combat like much also with tanks but less parameters remains very difficult for know armor, enough normal...
 
those comparisons it's bull good for fanbois so that they could thump their chests after they read/watched what they wanted to hear/see (stuff based on "parameters" carefully chosen by the author who just wants to sell/is "sponsored" by the manufacturer) for example look at Mosul now and you may compare $15m Abrams with US-trained crew to $150 junker stuffed with explosive and "a determined" driver (could send you the vids, but the story is very short: all go to Hell, excuse me, Paradise), I mean it all depends on the actual operations, every Politruk knows how to convince his Unit it's the best in the world ... you may tell me it's different with aircraft but no, I'm telling you Mig-21 pilots would be eager to go against Raptors and had this happened, they would've even shot some down:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mathematical-model-of-air-to-air-combat-and-loses.t6641/
the point is you need to come with a big enough formation to win "convincingly" ... back to this thread, I'm particularly unsure about CAS role of F-35s

now I thought I would delete this rant but I won't
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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LOL I noticed but was preparing the post in Syria Thread so I just thought like Unbiased OK I know who wins ... here I would guess F-35 beats Su-35 in the vid, right? since the source isn't Sputnik then the outcome would be just reversed ROFL
Quite the opposite It favors the SU 35 and omits a number of factors against.
It gives numbers for F35 but neglects to point out that more F35 have been built then SU 35. It claims that the F35 is supposed to be a replacment for F15 ( It's not), F16 and F18 ( which it calls Bombers. well not mentioning which version of the F18) It forgets the Harriers and A10 Close air support planes.
Already wrong and not even in the 5 points.
It brings up high wing loading against F35 neglecting that the Fuselage is also a lifting body generating a large amount of lift.
It claims air performance issues when factors like turning speed and climbing speed are still classified.
It claims F35 lacks Super cruise Which is noted as the ability to maintain supersonic speed without an Afterburner F35 can maintain mach 1.2 without an afterburner IE super cruise.
It gives the win to the SU35. I would say so to but not by a handy margin.

In radar it makes a lot of claims for both the Flanker and Lightnings Stealth
It points out a lack of IR stealth
Then makes a number of Claims about the Range of DAS Which has a Classified Range
And about the SU 35's IRST
It rightly gives this to the F35 as it's radar will see the Flanker coming from long before the Flanker knows about the lightning.

It points out the large Air to Air missile count of the SU35 and the speed and energy a Flanker would put on it's missiles.
It claims that f35 Can only carry 4 internal Air to Air missiles, From day one a number of makers have been working to up this to 6. It points out that it can carry 6 external missiles but with an increased RCS. and counts this against F35 however the F35's RCS is already so small that the margin of increased detection would still place the F35 ahead of the Flanker.
They then try to make BVR irrelevant so as to dismiss the advantage. It even claims that BVR is dangerous and points to Issues with long Range Air to Air Missiles IN THE VIETNAM WAR!!!!!!!! :eek:
Seriously!! It totally dismisses 50 years of Technological Advance! And gives the missile edge to the Flanker by pointing to the Flanker shooting off missiles like dollars thrown at strippers is advantageous.
It says the F35 will ( future tense) have 3 missiles for Air to Air combat, The Aim9X, Aim120,and Aim 132 Totally leaving out the IRS-T and MBDA Meteor missiles.
It lists the range of russian missiles for the SU35 which yes are theoretically longer except only against those whose ranges were listed
It points out that both have Electronic warfare capacities but dismisses the F35's well lauding the Su35's and giving it the win.
I would say that F35's abilities are still highly classified, yet the abilities of the AESA LPI radar of the F35 would give it the edge in detection of targets. And It's stated fact that the power of that radar can blind other Radars.

It gives cost data but uses a Price estimate based on the Low rate of production development planes, It claims that the cost goes to the Flanker well neglecting to point out that at the time the video was made only 108 had been ordered. Even if you add in the 24 of the PLAAF the F35 still has more operational jets delivered then SU35 and has FAR MORE on order easily 25 to 1. The Video makes claims about the mission availability rates for stealth aircraft but those are based on the F117 and B2 using older coatings. The Availability rates for the lightning have Climbed significantly compared to those and F35 has even more resilient coatings. Of course SU35 has no coatings....
I'll give you one guess where the video places the advantage.
I take the 180 degree opposite view as the more built the lower the cost by volume.

And they round it out by a Argument of SU35 wins...
 
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