F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Air Force Brat

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Right now, politically, the JMSDF could not build one or two "real" carriers.

But they are increasingly building larger and larger helicopter destroyers (as they call them) and the 22DDH is certainbly STOVL capable. As to the 22DDH not being designed for fixed wing aircraft, well, they will say they do not intend to put and STOVL aircraft, but the fact that they moved the rear elevator to the side, the fact that they have removed the CIWS from the forward deck, the size, the hangar spaces, all indicate that the vessel is designed for and capable of carrying aircraft like the F-35B.

I believe they will. Time will tell, but I would not be surprised to see the Japanese purchase 24 or so F-35Bs after the first 22DDH is complete and in or finnished with trials, and after the US has worked out most if not all issues associated with the F-35B.

I will not "eat my hat", but I believe it will happen none the less.

I believe the Australians will ultimately have F-35Bs too. Korea? Possible for their Dokdos to go F-35Bs in the future too...but I highly doubt that they will comprise a wing of Harriers for them.

Hows the Headmaster of old school, did you see the three ship echelon on the Air Force Magazine daily report 12/22/11 AF-2, AF-3, and AF-4 over Edwards 12/10/11?
 

paintgun

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

interesting article Scratch

perhaps we will see more F-35 for Japan in the future
 

Schumacher

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A little bit of background info on the japanese F-35 buy by aviationweek.
- F-35A won on a performance basis
- is the cheapeast because the other two need modification for boom refuling
- Japan to produce 40% of the parts (wings & tail, maybe final assembly)
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Not necessarily saying these are untrue but does anyone actually expected them to say otherwise ? I mean with the decision already made and the process mostly obscured.
 

Jeff Head

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Hows the Headmaster of old school, did you see the three ship echelon on the Air Force Magazine daily report 12/22/11 AF-2, AF-3, and AF-4 over Edwards 12/10/11?
Yes I did. Here is the pic of those three Air Force F-35As in formation over Edwards.

pix122211trioWP.jpg
 

paintgun

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Not necessarily saying these are untrue but does anyone actually expected them to say otherwise ? I mean with the decision already made and the process mostly obscured.

even the AVweek article needs to explain and highlight some issues to balance it out

the industrial drawdown for Japan will be significant if not severe, 40% is perhaps on par with Turkey, a healthier workshare would be like Boeing's offering to Japan at minimum, of which the 30% out of 100% might even include whole avionics

will this affect Japan's future indigenous projects
 

Scratch

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The article wasn't really a big revelation for sure, but gives some further understanding I think. And I won't fully deny that the decision also had a political scope.
In the long run, Japan will have to replace a good part of it's fighter aircraft. The tech transfer was probably consindered good enough to help Japan with it's own 5th gen project and sustain related industry. Since they didn't get the F-22, they might try to replace some F-15Js with their own ATD-X, while making up # with more F-35 in the future.

The following article of "the diplomat" has an interesting interview with "Jane's aviation desk editor", bringing some more perspective on this.

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Japan’s F-35 Choice Questioned
By The Diplomat - December 22, 2011

The Diplomat speaks with Gareth Jennings, IHS Jane's Aviation desk editor and managing editor of Jane's Missiles & Rockets, to discuss Japan’s choice of the F-35 fighter in its recent F-X competition. ...
[interview at the link]
 

Air Force Brat

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Yes I did. Here is the pic of those three Air Force F-35As in formation over Edwards.

Thanks for postin that boss man, they really are cute little sistahs, maybe if we whine enough they will take one to Oshkosh next summer. Loved the F-22 show with Mad Max, maybe he can do the demo flights for the Lightning II. Does the headmaster think she could do a tailslide, I'm not sure without the vectored thrust. Pak Fa was a doll at maks 2011, I was impressed to say the least, one must give the Russian brothers the showmanship award, they put it all out there!
 
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Air Force Brat

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When do y'all think that the Chengdu J-20 will be in service with the PLAAF?

Well Josh, kyanges and plawolf both suggest that the J-20 is more of a testbed, than tech demonstrator, I would concur with the additional observation that they are flying it a lot. That really doesn't normally happen with test aircraft, they tend to fly them a little, and work on fixing whats broke or needs "tweaked" a lot. Since they are flying it a lot, there seems a couple of likely possibilities, 1 She's almost perfect, "not likely", 2 She's a photo op, kind of like a supermodel, to say hey, we're in this game to play too. My perception is that they are sticking to a fairly benign flight envelope, and if we weren't supposed to be watching her, we wouldn't be seeing her" The appearance of Pak-Fa as a demonstration aircraft at Mak 2011, looking very, very, slick I might add, in spite of her take off abort on day two, shows a much more mature aircraft in the developement process. Thats possible, because in spite of the new design, she retains the primary design of the su-27, tweaked stretched, but very slick. The J-20 on the other hand is a totally new platform, bearing some design cues, but really looking more like a test bed type aircraft. The real issue that keeps Pak-Fa and the J-20 from moving forward rapidly continues to be the powerplant, but believe me when I say that lots of developement time and money are being spent on that right now. Although we have seen pictures, the implication was that we were years away from any possibility of a serious fifth gen player from either of these two teams. That we have several airworthy examples of each is something of a surprise to the "experts", and their assertions to the contrary. As we are finding out with the F-35, the developement hurdles are costly and complex, things happen much more sedately here in the west, we test, test, test and then fly, as the old saying goes, "theres more than one way to skin a cat". (figure of speech for you peta folks) The J-20 and Pak-Fa are fast tracked, thats evident in that just as we are pushing ahead with the F-35, fly now, fix later, the other players have come up to speed quickly, as the stakes are high and these birds are, the A team, (sorry guys). You guys and gals from the other team, feel free to fill in the gaps, I find it all quite fascinating if more than a little dicey?
 
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