Espionage involving China
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Just in: MSS announced, CIA network in China has been totally destroyed again. 
The post was published from MSS official wechat account, claiming it's a recent years thing, just before Trump took office. Therefore CIA aren't able to keep their operations & recruitment in secret anymore, but publicly recruit Chinese via X/Youtube videos. Which marks the newly-established CIA network was destroyed again since 2012.
The post was published from MSS official wechat account, claiming it's a recent years thing, just before Trump took office. Therefore CIA aren't able to keep their operations & recruitment in secret anymore, but publicly recruit Chinese via X/Youtube videos. Which marks the newly-established CIA network was destroyed again since 2012.
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The Chinese counterintelligence department must been moving like demons to make the CIA so desperateJust in: MSS announced, CIA network in China has been totally destroyed again.
The post was published from MSS official wechat account, claiming it's a recent years thing, just before Trump took office. Therefore CIA aren't able to keep their operations & recruitment in secret anymore, but publicly recruit Chinese via X/Youtube videos. Which marks the newly-established CIA network was destroyed again since 2012.
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You probably misread it. That infamous CIA Intel. network in China was destroyed before Trump 1.0, as stated in the paragraph you quoted. No mention of a new network uncovered and destroyed.Just in: MSS announced, CIA network in China has been totally destroyed again.
The post was published from MSS official wechat account, claiming it's a recent years thing, just before Trump took office. Therefore CIA aren't able to keep their operations & recruitment in secret anymore, but publicly recruit Chinese via X/Youtube videos. Which marks the newly-established CIA network was destroyed again since 2012.
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So acute is the rare earth shortage that foreign intelligence agencies are resorting to using their human assets in attempting to smuggle rare earth out of China. Methods include filling plastic manakins with rare earth then attempting to smuggle them out under pretence of innocent commerce.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
That's pretty cool if this is causing our enemies to risk their intelligence assets. Somebody caught filling manakins with rare earths is someone we don't have to worry about snooping around ChengFei or SMIC.
FriedRiceNSpice
Major
If this was really happening most likely we wouldn't be reading about it.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Why not? It's on CCTV news. When foriegn intelligence rings are foiled/busted, incidents can be reported, like last time when America's spy ring was brought down in China. Do you think that also didn't happen?
Unfortunately, it is some indicator that the case is closed and there is no active effort to trap them with tracked black market shipments sold by undercover agents. This is what I recommend they do to dig them all out but if they were doing this, they would not likely want to discuss it with media yet.
Commenting on the recent — concerning the MSS-led inquisition into a Chinese-American US Army veteran turned US Patent and Trademark Office ("USPTO") employee — that was posted in the "Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread."
That thread gets derailed too frequently as is, so better to post this here.
To be totally candid, based on what is currently publicly known, the possibility of this guy being some sort of intelligence officer or asset targeting the J-36 program in particular or CAC in general is close to zero (0).
However, it's reasonably plausible that: i. he (technically speaking) violated Chinese laws against espionage and/or governing classified information; and/or ii. he was targeted for recruitment by the MSS.
Reasonably, if not highly unlikely this guy is some sort of professional US intelligence officer: he simply does not fit the profile.
The overwhelming majority of American "spies," whatever that might actually mean, operate under official covers in capacities where they're protected by immunities granted by the Vienna Conventions: even fairly well known fact.
Per an of the NYT article on his case, this guy was clearly traveling on a blue instead of a black passport, otherwise he could've just told the MSS to "get lost" rather than put up with their interrogation, as well as their seizure and exploitation of his digital personal effects:
On top of that, while it's well within the rights of the Chinese authorities to PNG an accredited holder of a diplomatic passport, they cannot be subject to an exit ban.
On the other hand, there is of course the possibility that this guy is some sort of NOC, but that's also rather implausible for his profile.
Aside from the fact that as is, this guy is too much of a walking red flag to be a NOC, at least for Uncle Sam.
Owing to who this guy's current employer is and where he previously served, he is "high risk" in terms of becoming a target of MSS surveillance immediately upon setting foot on Chinese soil. Not necessarily because the MSS would suspect him to be an American "spy," if at all, but because he fits the profile of someone the MSS would want to recruit.
There is also the possibility that this guy was conducting some sort of ultra high risk dangle, or something else creative and wild, if not rather risky and reckless.
However, those sorts of operations are extremely rare, especially for the relatively risk averse CIA and their DoD counterparts. So not worth speculating on, at least not until more is known about his case.
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That thread gets derailed too frequently as is, so better to post this here.
To be totally candid, based on what is currently publicly known, the possibility of this guy being some sort of intelligence officer or asset targeting the J-36 program in particular or CAC in general is close to zero (0).
However, it's reasonably plausible that: i. he (technically speaking) violated Chinese laws against espionage and/or governing classified information; and/or ii. he was targeted for recruitment by the MSS.
Reasonably, if not highly unlikely this guy is some sort of professional US intelligence officer: he simply does not fit the profile.
The overwhelming majority of American "spies," whatever that might actually mean, operate under official covers in capacities where they're protected by immunities granted by the Vienna Conventions: even fairly well known fact.
Per an of the NYT article on his case, this guy was clearly traveling on a blue instead of a black passport, otherwise he could've just told the MSS to "get lost" rather than put up with their interrogation, as well as their seizure and exploitation of his digital personal effects:
On top of that, while it's well within the rights of the Chinese authorities to PNG an accredited holder of a diplomatic passport, they cannot be subject to an exit ban.
On the other hand, there is of course the possibility that this guy is some sort of NOC, but that's also rather implausible for his profile.
Aside from the fact that as is, this guy is too much of a walking red flag to be a NOC, at least for Uncle Sam.
Owing to who this guy's current employer is and where he previously served, he is "high risk" in terms of becoming a target of MSS surveillance immediately upon setting foot on Chinese soil. Not necessarily because the MSS would suspect him to be an American "spy," if at all, but because he fits the profile of someone the MSS would want to recruit.
There is also the possibility that this guy was conducting some sort of ultra high risk dangle, or something else creative and wild, if not rather risky and reckless.
However, those sorts of operations are extremely rare, especially for the relatively risk averse CIA and their DoD counterparts. So not worth speculating on, at least not until more is known about his case.
Part 1 of 2