Espionage involving China

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jimmyjames30x30

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siegecrossbow said:
For some of them it is as easy as circumventing the Great Firewall. I've heard an anecdote of how a teenage Chinese liberal who became a little Wolf Warrior after he started reading what foreigners were saying about China. It got so bad that the politics class teacher started telling him to tune down his rhetoric. Now that I think about it he must've wandered onto a Jai Hind website by accident.
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Well, the problem is with the (collective) unconscious motives of the Western World. The Western World is NOT really anti-communist, like how they profess to be. They are only using the "anti-communist" rhetoric to cover their true unconscious motive: to preserve the dominant position of their race (and by extension, their civilization).

I say this because Marx and Engels are both white European, (yes, European Jews are still European). Yes, sure the bourgeoisie is first and foremost loyal to their class. But the World really has only one true bourgeoisie class: the Bourgeoisie of the West. Therefore, communism, as a school of thought born out the west, can NEVER really be hated and discarded by the West. They will use communism as a weapon to weaken their enemies, if the situation suits them.

I would say Chinese people are simply way too sensitive to the whole "racial superiority" rhetoric and motives. Therefore it is very easy for even young Chinese people to smell the West's true intention of attacking and oppressing the Chinese Civilizational Identity, under the cover of anti-communism. And they soon see the incapability of the West to correct it's own problems, which culminates in having given birth to schools of thoughts like Marx-Leninism for more than a hundred years while still stuck in the same quagmire of social problems.
 
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jimmyjames30x30 said:
Well, the problem is with the (collective) unconscious motives of the Western World. The Western World is NOT really anti-communist, like how they profess to be. They are only using the "anti-communist" rhetoric to cover their true unconscious motive: to preserve the dominant position of their race (and by extension, their civilization).

I say this because Marx and Engels are both white European, (yes, European Jews are still European). Yes, sure the bourgeoisie is first and foremost loyal to their class. But the World really has only one true bourgeoisie class: the Bourgeoisie of the West. Therefore, communism, as a school of thought born out the west, can NEVER really be hated and discarded by the West. They will use communism as a weapon to weaken their enemies, if the situation suits them.

I would say Chinese people are simply way too sensitive to the whole "racial superiority" rhetoric and motives. Therefore it is very easy for even young Chinese people to smell the West's true intention of attacking and oppressing the Chinese Civilizational Identity, under the cover of anti-communism. And they soon see the incapability of the West to correct it's own problems, which culminates in having given birth to schools of thoughts like Marx-Leninism for more than a hundred years while still stuck in the same quagmire of social problems.
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It's pretty easy to discern the motives of the west when they are so nakedly racist and white supremacist; pompeo's screeds against "communist chinese" were evidently racist dog whistles since no-one's seriously used that term unironcially since the 50s.

The religion of the west is basically white supremacism; to be inducted into the west you must be willing to serve white supremacy and a big part of it involves worshiping a white blonde hair blue eyed jesus.
 
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It's pretty easy to discern the motives of the west when they are so nakedly racist and white supremacist; pompeo's screeds against "communist chinese" were evidently racist dog whistles since no-one's seriously used that term unironcially since the 50s.

The religion of the west is basically white supremacism; to be inducted into the west you must be willing to serve white supremacy and a big part of it involves worshiping a white blonde hair blue eyed jesus.
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To be honest, every major and long living civilization has some degree of ethnocentrism/racial-supremacism in their culture. The only difference is that some culture (like China, India) is aware of the harm of such ideas onto oneself. The West, on the other hand, do NOT really understand the harm of such ideas.

Laozi：“后其身而身先，外其身而身存”. Chinese mindset is simple: if one really love one's own race/civilization, they should do all they can to preserve it. This means that you need to externalize outcomes, and develop the ability to treat success and failure as the same. The West is mortally afraid of losing. They think that they will cease to exist if they lost or failed. But that's not true. The West is so obsessed with winning that they will endanger and risk their own survival, in order to win. This is stupid.

One of the biggest treasure of China and Chinese is that Chinese people are survived the worst conditions. This is why Chinese people is always jelly and cheery, as accused by many "公知"(liberal pro-west "public" intellectuals in China) as being "lacking in pathos". Why shouldn't we be happy? We have conquered fear itself! We have nothing to lose!
 
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hashtagpls said:
It's pretty easy to discern the motives of the west when they are so nakedly racist and white supremacist; pompeo's screeds against "communist chinese" were evidently racist dog whistles since no-one's seriously used that term unironcially since the 50s.

The religion of the west is basically white supremacism; to be inducted into the west you must be willing to serve white supremacy and a big part of it involves worshiping a white blonde hair blue eyed jesus.
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To put my thought simply: It is not that we Chinese don't have Chinese-supremacist tendencies, it is only that we know such tendencies will come back to bite us in the back, and thus we choose survival and longevity of our existence over victory and glory over others.

Of course this is not to say that China is necessarily right and the West is necessarily wrong. This is more like a irreconcilable duality, very much like the story of 项羽与刘邦 (Xiang Yu and Liu Bang): Xiang Yu lived a short life and lost his war, but he lived to the contentment of his heart; Liu Bang lived a long life and won the war, but he lived like a mistreated dog for his whole life.
 
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沈逸(Professor of International Relations, Fudan University)'s piece on this incident, going back over all the details and who did right and who did wrong:
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I notice both Shen Yi a lot of comments are saying when such hot topic come up in the future it's very important to not just accept the first piece of news you hear but instead "让子弹飞一会儿" to quote a certain famous movie. The difference in velocity between lies and truth gives a brief time window where the enemy can exploit.

In Shen Yi's opinion the media did not perform to the standard expected of them in this case. They were too busy getting the latest scoop and chasing after hits instead of slowing down and find out the truth. On the other hand Shen Yi says the People generally performed very well overall and managed to sniff out that the protest was not organic almost immediately.

I notice also a bit humorously that there's quite a few voices saying there's a business opportunity here for "Bounty Hunter Guild" to take advantage of MSS"s "500K RMB" bounty system. If further formalised the bounty system will allow a People's War approach to counter attempts at coloured revolution.
 
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hashtagpls said:
It's pretty easy to discern the motives of the west when they are so nakedly racist and white supremacist; pompeo's screeds against "communist chinese" were evidently racist dog whistles since no-one's seriously used that term unironcially since the 50s.

The religion of the west is basically white supremacism; to be inducted into the west you must be willing to serve white supremacy and a big part of it involves worshiping a white blonde hair blue eyed jesus.
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No, no , no you slip to the identity politics. How can you explain Obama's presidency, Kamala Harris V.Presidency, and many high ranks in US military and government, the Indian woman high rank (i can't remember her name) in England and so on. You can't also explain the power struggle between classes in capitalist countries in Africa, Asia, S.America, between "colored" people. Marx and Engels were among the first people who put the matter in a right way, setting before everything the struggle for control of resources historically, which subsequently explains the roots of racism.

Ironically the people of Caucasus region where the term white Caucasians got its name, are quite poor and suffering a lot especially after the fall of USSR.And no, people in Europe are not all supremacists etc. Once upon a time there were revolutions, even Europe was cut in half for decades with an iron curtain and walls in a struggle to get rid this kind of opressors. The struggle will never cease until the actual reasons cease.
 
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