Espionage involving China


Not really news since Snowden already conveyed it early on. It's just a feel good piece for those who can't see the hypocrisy.


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NSA infiltrates servers of China telecom giant Huawei: report
WASHINGTON Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:25pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. National Security Agency has infiltrated servers in the headquarters of Chinese telecommunications and internet giant Huawei Technologies Co, obtaining sensitive information and monitoring the communications of top executives, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

The newspaper said its report on the operation, code-named "Shotgiant," was based on NSA documents provided by Edward Snowden, the former agency contractor who since last year has leaked data revealing sweeping U.S. surveillance activities. The German magazine Der Spiegel also reported on the documents.

One of the goals of the operation was to find any connections between Huawei and the Chinese People's Liberation Army, according to a 2010 document cited by the Times.

But the newspaper said the operation also sought to exploit Huawei's technology. It reported that the NSA aimed to conduct surveillance through computer and telephone networks Huawei sold to other nations. If ordered by the U.S. president, the NSA also planned to unleash offensive cyber operations, it said.

The newspaper said the NSA secured access to the servers in Huawei's sealed headquarters in the city of Shenzhen and got information about the workings of the giant routers and complex digital switches the company says connect a third of the world's people. The NSA also tracked communications of Huawei's top executives, the Times reported.

Der Spiegel reported that the NSA breached Huawei's computer network and copied a list of more than 1,400 clients and internal training documents for engineers. "We have access to so much data that we don't know what to do with it," the magazine cited an NSA document as saying.

The magazine said the NSA also is pursuing a digital offensive against the Chinese political leadership. It named the government targets as former Chinese prime minister Hu Jintao and the Chinese trade and foreign ministries.


"Many of our targets communicate over Huawei-produced products. We want to make sure that we know how to exploit these products," the Times quoted an NSA document as saying, to "gain access to networks of interest" around the world.

"If we can determine the company's plans and intentions," an analyst wrote in the 2010 document, "we hope that this will lead us back to the plans and intentions" of the Chinese government.

The Times also reported that as Huawei invested in new technology and laid undersea cables to connect its $40 billion-a-year networking operation, the NSA was interested in getting information on into key Chinese customers including "high priority targets - Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kenya, Cuba."

The Times quoted William Plummer, a senior Huawei executive in the United States, as saying that the company did not know it was a target of the NSA.

"The irony is that exactly what they are doing to us is what they have always charged that the Chinese are doing through us," the Times quoted Plummer as saying.

"If such espionage has been truly conducted then it is known that the company is independent and has no unusual ties to any government, and that knowledge should be relayed publicly to put an end to an era of mis- and disinformation," the Times quoted Plummer as saying.

The Times noted that U.S. officials see Huawei as a security threat and have blocked the company from making business deals in the United States, worried that it would furnish its equipment with "back doors" that could enable China's military or Chinese-backed hackers to swipe corporate and government secrets.

Snowden last year fled to Hong Kong and then to Russia, where he has asylum. The United States wants him returned to face criminal prosecution.

U.S. officials have denied the United States and NSA have spied on foreign companies to help American companies gain a competitive edge. A U.S. intelligence official said the NSA and other agencies do not provide secretly collected intelligence information that could be commercially sensitive or give a competitive advantage to U.S. firms.

U.S. officials acknowledge that in the course of assessing the economic prospects or stability of foreign countries American agencies might collect data on individual companies.

They also said the United States might collect data on foreign companies in preparation for imposing economic sanctions or taking other foreign policy-related actions against a country and its leadership, but not to aid American companies.

The Times and Der Spiegel articles were published just days before Chinese President Xi Jinping visits Europe and will hold talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, herself a target of electronic surveillance by the NSA.

They also were published during U.S. first lady Michelle Obama's visit to China. In Beijing on Saturday, she told an audience of college students that open access to information - especially online - is a universal right.

(Reporting by Will Dunham in Washington and Stephen Brown in Berlin; Editing by David Gregorio)


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China demands answers from U.S. over spying claims
Mar. 24, 2014 - 10:51AM |

BEIJING — China said Monday it was demanding an explanation from Washington over allegations U.S. intelligence agencies hacked into the email servers of Chinese tech giant Huawei and targeted top Chinese officials and government institutions.

Beijing is “gravely concerned” about the claims and demands that any such spying be stopped, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a daily press briefing.

“China has made many representations to the U.S. We urge the U.S. to give a clear account and stop similar acts,” Hong said.

German weekly Der Spiegel and The New York Times said the NSA began targeting Huawei in early 2009. The reports cited secret U.S. intelligence documents leaked by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden.

The alleged spying began around the time that concerns were growing in Washington that the telecommunications equipment manufacturer was a threat to U.S. national security.

Der Spiegel also claimed the NSA targeted officials including former President Hu Jintao, as well as ministries and banks.

Although China has been accused of sponsoring a vast cyberspying effort, Hong repeated Beijing’s claims that it opposes such actions.

“We consistently believe Internet communication technologies should be used to develop a country’s economy in a normal way, and not be used in stealing secret information, phone-tapping and monitoring,” Hong said.
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I personally think that the biggest shame on China's intelligence community is the defection of an incumbent EMBASSADOR, to SOUTH KOREA. The even bigger shame is that Chinese government, while in a negotiation about territorial waters with South Koreans, did not even know about this until the NORTH KOREANS told us, which cost us A LOT.


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I personally think that the biggest shame on China's intelligence community is the defection of an incumbent EMBASSADOR, to SOUTH KOREA. The even bigger shame is that Chinese government, while in a negotiation about territorial waters with South Koreans, did not even know about this until the NORTH KOREANS told us, which cost us A LOT.
Any link to your claim? I would like to read more about it.


Re: World News Thread & Breaking News!!

I nearly fell out of my chair reading this!

US Charges China with Cyber-Spying on American Firms

The Justice Department filed criminal charges against five hackers in the Chinese military Monday, accusing them of stealing American trade secrets through cyber-espionage, according to U.S. officials familiar with the case.

The efforts were directed at six American victim companies in the nuclear power, metals and solar products industries. Among the victims were Westinghouse Electric, U.S. subsidiaries of SolarWorld AG, U.S. Steel, Allegheny Technologies and Alcoa.

"This is a case alleging economic espionage by members of the Chinese military and represent the first-ever charges against a state actor for this type of hacking," Attorney General Eric Holder said. More details of the charges are to be announced Holder in a morning news conference.

FBI Director James Comey told NBC News, "For too long, the Chinese government has blatantly sought to use cyber-espionage to obtain economic advantage for its state-owned industries."

The charges will name several individuals who are Chinese government employees, according to a U.S. official. "They used military and intelligence facilities to commit cyber-espionage against U.S. companies," the official said.

China's Foreign Ministry issued a strongly-worded statement on Monday, saying the accusation were "made up'' and it plans to suspend activities of the Sino-U.S. Internet working group.

"China is a staunch defender of network security, and the Chinese government, military and associated personnel have never engaged in online theft of trade secrets,'' the statement said.

The names of the targeted companies could not immediately be determined, but they were said to be in the energy and manufacturing sectors.

The Obama administration has long considered China the most aggressive nation in obtaining industrial secrets through spying.

"Chinese actors are the world's most active and persistent perpetrators of economic espionage," said the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, a U.S. government agency, in a 2011 report.

A year ago, several U.S. newspapers, including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal, said hackers traced to China attacked their newsroom computer systems.

A spokesman for China's foreign ministry called any suggestion that the Chinese were involved in those intrusions "irresponsible," though U.S. security experts said China targeted news organizations in the U.S. and overseas to try to identify the sources of news leaks within the Chinese government.

Those disclosures prompted a computer security expert and former Justice Department lawyer, Marc Zwillinger to say, "the only computers these days that are safe from Chinese government hackers are computers that are turned off, unplugged, and thrown in the back seat of your car."
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Re: World News Thread & Breaking News!!

Five PLA officers have just been added to FBI's Cyber most wanted list.

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Here is Chinese Foreign ministry's response for anyone who is interested

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Roughly translated


With Putin coming to sign the holy grail of gas deal, developments in south china sea, now US has put serving PLA officers on FBI's most wanted list. This May just keeps getting more interesting.


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Re: World News Thread & Breaking News!!

I nearly fell out of my chair reading this!

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US charging other country of cyber hacking with a straight face. There's enough hypocrisy for one to drown in.

Anyone with Cisco or IBM shares should seriously consider selling.
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