CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Salty_Waters]

Well, since this thread started with that issue, and me taking it as the reason after long time - just reading this forum - to enter it finally, and now after long time waiting for webmaster to finally let me in, my first post will be a statement for that mysterious mockup at Mulan lake.

The one or other reader will remember that statement from CDF, where I posted it in early January. I searched that thread, if this topic was discussed in that manner, but my search was negative. So, now my real first post on SDF. And by the way: yes, I've already read the forum rules and behavior thread (a reason to be in here, you guys have the discipline to follow them, a big contrast to CDF).

That mockup is a fire fighting training site. That house at the end of the angled flight deck is a ventilator house with three fans, to produce headwinds up to 60knts or more.

A realistic scenario for an carrier is a crash landing with at least some fuel left in the crashing aircraft. Keeping in mind, that an carrier won't stop immediately after all stop order was given, crew has to fight fire while it is powered by the wind. That mockup has several test stands and aircraft/helo mockups to train different scenarios. The concrete structure in the place of the island, provides additional scenario area f.e. a fire in the island or other structures. Finally the mockup has a ramp (front starboard), to get additional equipment on the test area.

in the surrounding area, there are different additional training sites and accommodation for the trained crews.

Thats my best guess, when I saw the site the first time. It would perfectly match the operational training needs of PLAN.

So, would be great, if someone can find out a name of a CV-Fire training site near Mulan Lake (40kmNE of Wuhan City)

 

[FORBIN]

bd popeye

Well, since this thread started with that issue, and me taking it as the reason after long time - just reading this forum - to enter it finally, and now after long time waiting for webmaster to finally let me in, my first post will be a statement for that mysterious mockup at Mulan lake.

The one or other reader will remember that statement from CDF, where I posted it in early January. I searched that thread, if this topic was discussed in that manner, but my search was negative. So, now my real first post on SDF. And by the way: yes, I've already read the forum rules and behavior thread (a reason to be in here, you guys have the discipline to follow them, a big contrast to CDF).

That mockup is a fire fighting training site. That house at the end of the angled flight deck is a ventilator house with three fans, to produce headwinds up to 60knts or more.

A realistic scenario for an carrier is a crash landing with at least some fuel left in the crashing aircraft. Keeping in mind, that an carrier won't stop immediately after all stop order was given, crew has to fight fire while it is powered by the wind. That mockup has several test stands and aircraft/helo mockups to train different scenarios. The concrete structure in the place of the island, provides additional scenario area f.e. a fire in the island or other structures. Finally the mockup has a ramp (front starboard), to get additional equipment on the test area.

in the surrounding area, there are different additional training sites and accommodation for the trained crews.

Thats my best guess, when I saw the site the first time. It would perfectly match the operational training needs of PLAN.

So, would be great, if someone can find out a name of a CV-Fire training site near Mulan Lake (40kmNE of Wuhan City)

True matters for our sailor man bd Popeye

 

[Jeff Head]

Well, these pictures make it pretty clear that the PLAN is heading for a carrier-borne fixed wing AEW aircraft like the E-2 Hawkeye.

We know that the mockup at Wuhan is where they take a hard look at things, both for th present and the future.

Now we are seeing their AEW design showing up there on its deck.

I believe we will see this aircraft on the 002 carriers. Whether it is STO enough to use off of the STOBAR carriers (001 and 001A) is yet to be seen.

The electronics and the done tend to make such aircraft heavy enough that it may be doubtful IMHO, but we shall see.

 

[davidau]

CV 002 island shrunk by 25% to accommodate more aircraft parking, and allow space for catapult...

A mock-up of the island ....

 

[Iron Man]

I hope this carrier will have enough deck space to allow the shifting of both bow cat positions to the starboard side to allow the port position to launch even while landing planes, like how the Nimitz cats are arranged.

 

[schenkus]

Now we are seeing their AEW design showing up there on its deck.

I believe we will see this aircraft on the 002 carriers. Whether it is STO enough to use off of the STOBAR carriers (001 and 001A) is yet to be seen.

I think in order to take off from the STOBAR carriers it would need to have a propulsion comparable to the planned soviet Yak-44. If you believe Wikipedia the Yak-44 would have had two 14.000hp engines (Ivchenko Progress D-27) with counter-rotating propellers.

The plane in the picture looks more like the E-2C (two 5.000hp engines with "normal" propellers) and I guess this means it would need a catapult.

I think China could get the necessary know-how (or just the engines, if they don't need this kind of technology for other projects) from Ukraine and/or Russia (unless producing these engines would need a lot of cooperation between Ukraine and Russia).

 

[A.Man]

Shanghai Changxin-Jiangnan Shipyard is building a covered dry dock, long: 405 meters; width: 170 meters

 

[delft]

I think in order to take off from the STOBAR carriers it would need to have a propulsion comparable to the planned soviet Yak-44. If you believe Wikipedia the Yak-44 would have had two 14.000hp engines (Ivchenko Progress D-27) with counter-rotating propellers.

The plane in the picture looks more like the E-2C (two 5.000hp engines with "normal" propellers) and I guess this means it would need a catapult.

I think China could get the necessary know-how (or just the engines, if they don't need this kind of technology for other projects) from Ukraine and/or Russia (unless producing these engines would need a lot of cooperation between Ukraine and Russia).

Not a wiki to believe in. The size of the Yak-44 is little more than that of E-2C while the weight is much larger. With such oversized engines its fuel consumption would have been amazing. And there is no reason why a Yak-44 with a reasonable take off weight couldn't take of from a STOBAR carrier. Its speed when leaving the ski ramp would of course be less than that of a Su-33 but as a turbo prop it would need less speed to fly.

 

[Salty_Waters]

Shanghai Changxin-Jiangnan Shipyard is building a covered dry dock, long: 405 meters; width: 170 meters

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what makes you believe that this is a dry dock?

there is no crane to handle big or heavy modules
there is no slipway to get big units to water

at least that facility is to far detached from the established workshops

so please don't get offended, but I think you are wrong in calling it a dry dock.

But the legit question remains, what is it, and is it related to Jiangnan Shipyard.

Thx for the images.

 

[schenkus]

Not a wiki to believe in. The size of the Yak-44 is little more than that of E-2C while the weight is much larger. With such oversized engines its fuel consumption would have been amazing. And there is no reason why a Yak-44 with a reasonable take off weight couldn't take of from a STOBAR carrier. Its speed when leaving the ski ramp would of course be less than that of a Su-33 but as a turbo prop it would need less speed to fly.

I'm not sure I understand your argument, do you mean that the wikipedia entry on the Yak-44 is not reliable and that it would have used smaller engines but still have been able to take off from a STOBAR carrier ?

How powerful do you think the engines would need to be for a plane that is better than a helicopter in the AEW role but can still take off from a STOBAR carrier ?