Curious why there were political purges? These things shouldn't involve domestic political squabbles.
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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Curious why there were political purges? These things shouldn't involve domestic political squabbles.
Exactly. National security should trump domestic politics. I hope the delay would not be that much.
Anyway, i always excited to hear news about China future CVN and the Type 055 destroyer.
I doubt it, we never had any solid guarantee or predictions for how quickly the carrier following 003 (i.e.: the second expected conventional CATOBAR) would emerge, nor any solid predictions for whether it would be built at JNCX or DL.
And if you're talking about Sun Bo, his example of graft was probably legitimate and the word "purge" is frankly a dramatization, and much of the English language media's association of him as being "in charge" of carrier 002 is a bit laughable tbh. At his level he was in charge of far more shipbuilding projects than the carrier alone -- and likely far more commercially lucrative projects than the carrier -- and it would have been graft in general that took him down.
My personal belief is that after CV-16 Liaoning was refit, the PLAN wanted to move onto a CATOBAR carrier, but the PRC leadership was more cautious, so they ordered 002/CV-17 Shandong first, which Dalian built.
At about the same time leading up to the order of 002, I suspect the PRC and PLAN leadership were assessing advancements in technology namely the EM catapult while actively working on the design and the industrial side of how building a large CATOBAR would work.
If there was any "delay" in the construction of their first CATOBAR carrier, IMO it was the decision for steam versus EM catapults, as the PLAN likely recognized EM catapults were their future, and that if they pursued steam it would be a technology that was already on the way out and would either have to be refit on any carriers it was installed on -- or a system they would have to continue to support for a ship's given service life.
That's why they proceeded with the EM cat vs steam cat competition in the mid 2010s, while likely actively doing the redesign work for the CATOBAR carrier (that we would come to know as 003) if the EM cat won. In any case, the EM cat did win, and thus they proceeded full throttle with fabrication and construction of 003 at Shanghai.
Regarding 003's propulsion, I do not think it will be powered by gas turbines, but rather using steam turbines.
My understanding is that 002 and 003 will share the same steam turbines and similar other elements of their propulsion (003 might have more boilers or more powerful boilers).
As far as powering the EM cats go, they probably have separate generators for that which will also provide electricity for the rest of the ship's services and major subsystems too.
But the prime drivers will be steam.
That is to say, I do not expect 003 to have IEPS.
Well, only when there is a big worthwhile update.
That doesn't happen. Some leaders in the factory sold many sensitive documents to foreigners. They were arrested and investigated.
Another case: a citizen secretly took more than 500 photos of an aircraft carrier and sold it to a foreigner. The DL plant needs improved security and it leads to delays. But that's the right thing to do.
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If that was the reason for the delays then it is for the better and I'm glad those traitors were arrested. The security measures should be highten to the point where those kind of traitors would think twice to even think of trying.
That is honestly infuriating, who are these traitorous pieces of excrement that are doing this.
Does this happen in America, where White people in the defense industry or even contractors are doing this as often to their country?
I don't think there was any proof of that.
If everyone is talking about Sun Bo, there were never any indications that his corruption was related to military projects. The only places that suggested it were SCMP and a few Taiwan news media outlets, whose credibility of course we all know are beyond repute.
Frankly if someone in his position was found trading national secrets, someone in his position would've been imprisoned for life and/or executed rather than merely served a sentence of 12 years in jail.
In any case can we get back on topic please.
There's a way to be more disciplined to talk about purely military matters without indulging in every single other political or non-military related piece of gossip, but it requires people to also have the foresight and discipline to know that what they're posting might lead to unnecessary discussion in the first place.
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Please don't.
Yes I know the location of the shipyards. I was specifically talking about the possibility of moving modules to Dalian for final assembly there.
I do think it's possible that the modules for the second 003 is already under construction somewhere in Shanghai, but since this is from fzgfzy (and even he wasn't saying with confidence. He says "if there is indeed a second 003, it could be already under construction"), I wouldn't take this idea seriously until some more creditable sources confirm it.