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CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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and I take great pride and satisfaction in that I have followed the PLAN journey from the start and never missed anything out
imagine waking up one day and seeing this news without any prior knowledge ? You would be shocked and asking questions
this was once a in lifetime opportunity and even actually rare occasion in naval history where we witnessed such progress in Chinese naval development
i don’t think we will see this again
and I take great pride and satisfaction in that I have followed the PLAN journey from the start and never missed anything out
imagine waking up one day and seeing this news without any prior knowledge ? You would be shocked and asking questions
this was once a in lifetime opportunity and even actually rare occasion in naval history where we witnessed such progress in Chinese naval development
i don’t think we will see this again
Video of which the above photographs have been screenshotted from. Posted by @水雷屋 on Weibo.
But you do realise that China's first carrier with a catapult is only just starting sea trials?
What you are advocating is for China to have already built 2 more STOBAR carriers.
The benchmark should be all the US carriers.
So in a blue-water naval battle, the US has 11 carriers potentially available.
In comparison, it doesn't make much difference whether China has 4 carriers or 6 carriers in 2027.
Historically in blue-water naval battles, the smaller side suffers a catastrophic defeat.
I have different cost estimates
Type-054A/B: 1.8 Billion RMB
Type-052D: 3.5 Billion RMB
Type-055: 6 Billion RMB
Type-002 Carrier: 30? Billion RMB. Plus airwing of 40x 0.6? Billion RMB.
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So the total cost of a Type-002 with airwing comes to 54 Billion RMB
For the same money, you could buy 9 Type-055 or 15 Type-052D.
Given the current construction rate of 20 destroyers every 5 years, that's roughly equivalent to the cost of 1.67x Type-002 carriers with airwings.
Yes. STOBAR is still a capable "medium" carrier.
Two STOBARs as a unit, especially with outside support and relying on the outsized surface component can conceivably (out)fight a supercarrier CSG.
2 such TFs with two singular supercarrier groups(003) - i.e. 4 supercarrier-equivalents overall, - could've reasonably contested against normal day 1 USN in Eastpac head-on. In 2027, not 2037. That's 10 fewer years of uncertainty. 10 very turbulent years, as the geopolitical landscape doesn't exactly calm down.
Single 003 + 2 001A just won't be able to be a match, even if you get match (or even overmatch) in surface units.
(1)11 carriers can't be achieved by the US. It's impossible with available facilities from the current state.
6...8 can be done. The former number is realistic and doable on short notice, but is a visible concentration of everything; the latter number can be achieved only after very careful and visible preparation.
And if such preparation is to be preempted - it's possible to force a battle with the opponent in detail. Or to get aviation forward towards the likely engagement areas using other means, which are getting heavy investment (amphibious operations).
For 3(2 equivalents) it's still impossible whatsoever. For 6/4, with a home region advantage, it's firmly within a realm of doable.
(2)historically in blue-water naval battles, everything happened. What happened very rarely, in fact, was catastrophic defeats.
And last time such catastrophic defeat happened - it just happened to be a carrier battle, where a smaller force, supported from the land, clearly won against a larger one.
Where does the Shandong(there is no 002; 001A?) estimate come from?
You're making her twice(!) as expensive as a larger PoW, built in UK economy. That's a...questionable number.
1:5 ratio (Burke being significantly smaller than 055) is a ratio of a bloody CVN-78 class. It's a fantasy.
Airwing isn't a module of a carrier, it's part of the PLANAF which is to be procured regardless.
Counting it in is outright wrong.
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China's military progress has been great and historic. But I think China has only scratched the surface of its full military potential. They are just spending 1.5% of GDP on the military right now. Its lower than most EU countries. I believe when China is truly serious about its military expansion, they will spend 4-5% of GDP on military in peace time. That means atleast 2-3 times bigger quantity of hardware produced.
Let's not even forget what China will be able to do in wartime production levels. China will make US production in WW2 look like Child's play in a future WW3.
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Although I'm pretty sure that China will try at all costs to gain supremacy without a third world war.
At least without a physical third world war. We may be witnessing a cyber and social media world war.
And to accomplish the aforesaid they have access to all means (workforce, infrastructure, funds, expertise, and resources).
No way! China has a peaceful society that does not need to become militaristic and condescending where every family has a service member and every sports event showcases H-20 bombers during opening ceremonies and every movie has a protagonist that was deployed to a conflict overseas and came back as damaged goods.