Could non-chinese join PLA?

I am not sure if HK and Macau residents can join PLA or not. On the other hand, it is sometimes difficult to ascertain the resident status as many HK and Macau residents are born in mainland and many of us have residence still in mainland and work and live in mainland. Do they lose their PLA-enrollment eligibility once they move to SARs? I dont know. If a SAR person really wants to join, I guess there are always some ways.

But I do know that PLAN has employed SAR civilians to teach certain specific skills. The one I know of is SCR and CCR diving. Few years back, instructors were hired to Hainan and Qingdao naval bases to instruct the use of the equipment and diving skills.

Red Guard said:

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How do you know they're doing so? And by "thread", do you mean this thread specifically or other threads in this forum as well?

aquauant said:

I am not sure if HK and Macau residents can join PLA or not. On the other hand, it is sometimes difficult to ascertain the resident status as many HK and Macau residents are born in mainland and many of us have residence still in mainland and work and live in mainland. Do they lose their PLA-enrollment eligibility once they move to SARs? I dont know. If a SAR person really wants to join, I guess there are always some ways.

But I do know that PLAN has employed SAR civilians to teach certain specific skills. The one I know of is SCR and CCR diving. Few years back, instructors were hired to Hainan and Qingdao naval bases to instruct the use of the equipment and diving skills.

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Not sure about this, but I think all citizens of China had an account. And this account would tied you to a place (not physically)... by this, I mean, you can be anywhere in China, but your account can only be in the place of your birth.

And so if you are born in HK or Macau but live/work/study in mainland China, when you apply for something in mainland China, you can still be traced back to HK and Macau. And if there is a restriction placed on resident of HK and Macau, you will automatically still be affected.

I think I am referring to those SARs residents who are born in Mainland . They can enroll. And more than 34% of hk population are born in China (HKSAR govt' statisticshttp://www.bycensus2006.gov.hk/tc/data/data3/statistical_tables/index_tc.htm#F1). Probably more in Macau SAR.

Also, off topic, getting a hukou is not a difficult issue. If you are working in china for long term, you are required to apply for a hukou to be able to have your kids to enroll in local public school, employment permit, public medical care, taxation purpose... etc. The company that hires you needs to do this for you or it is hiring illegal. It can also be obtained through marriage. But having a mainland hukou or not is not an issue. The issue is where you are born with regards to joining the PLA.

For the moment, SARS residents who are born in SARs (even though they may have a mainland hukou through various means) cannot enroll the PLA. But, from the news recently, the military is dealing with this issue. (title: Chinese military headache: Many young Hong Kong and Macau residents want to join PLA)

Maybe somedays (perhaps when one country two systems status expire in 2047? or sooner) SARS residents no matter where they are born can join up and serve.

Also, as said before, SARS residents (born in SARS) may not be able to serve directly. But they have helped out through skill transfer and disaster relief (such as SARS heli pilots and S&R teams were sent to the szechwan for earthquake relief).

Ok, let me give you more information:
1, HK and Macau residents can't join PLA so far. Because one country two systems, so far they have NO DUTY to serve PLA.
2, about russian in PLA: there are 56 nationality in China， russian is one of them
3, To join PLA, you need something like security clearance, PLA call it 政审(word by word means examine political record, but it also examine criminal records, this is why I call it security clearance)


for this case, I'll say no way,
first, to get a chinese citizen is too hard for you,
second, even you had chinese citizen, you will not pass 政审.

BTW, I'm in UK now, my father was a PLA officer, an airborne officer, served about 15 years in 15th Airborne Corps.

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qianjizhao said:

Ok, let me give you more information:
1, HK and Macau residents can't join PLA so far. Because one country two systems, so far they have NO DUTY to serve PLA.
2, about russian in PLA: there are 56 nationality in China， russian is one of them
3, To join PLA, you need something like security clearance, PLA call it 政审(word by word means examine political record, but it also examine criminal records, this is why I call it security clearance)


for this case, I'll say no way,
first, to get a chinese citizen is too hard for you,
second, even you had chinese citizen, you will not pass 政审.

BTW, I'm in UK now, my father was a PLA officer, an airborne officer, served about 15 years in 15th Airborne Corps.

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Hmm... which bag the question,

1) How am I going to get a chinese citizenship?

lets assume that I married a Chinese woman (china citizen), am I liable to apply for citizenship?

2) And if I successfully applied and received a chinese citizenship, and in the course of my stay in China, I did not do anything illegal and contributed to the country. Will my children be able to apply to become PLA?

Just a thought

PLA Soldier said:

Okey, because it seems possible to me to join PLA, so how is their every day life in amry? Is it russian-style boxing or something more civilized?

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poor kid。。。
it's not what you think
and not going to be what u want
i grow up in a pla family
my mum used to be in pla, that's how she met my dad
my dad is still an officer
i grow up in "部队大院“ where pla people and their families live together in a block
we have sentries guarding the block
i know what's it like to be in the pla
well, at least in a government organization in pla
if u are a soldier, u usually do nothing at day time except clean up the block or cooking stuff, of course, there are drivers, guards and so on
if u are an officer, u will read and write reports or documents from 7:00 to 5:00
just like an normal guy working in a small company
the only place and time u will be trained is when u are in "新兵连" -the place for new-joined soldiers
u well be there for only few months
after 2 years in military, they will kick u off from it

and, for ur situation, i really dont think they are going to sent u to "Group Army(GA)"
GA is the one of the very few places u do training everyday, and really feels like u are in military.
anyway, it's very different from what u think
it's not 50th any more, kid
pla is a career, u work like a employee

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理论上讲,一个外国人有可能加入PLA,但是实际上的可能微乎其微,而且即便成功了,也绝不是这孩子想象的那样加入作战部队.
PLA只接受有中国户籍的适龄人群,而中国对户籍的管理是全球最严格的国家之一,请注意是户籍而不是国籍,比如港澳,他们理论上拥有中国国籍,但没有中国户籍,所以不能加入PLA.中国目前总共只有数千外国人获得户籍,虽然取得居留资格的外国人以百万计.在中国,外国人取得户籍需要极其严格的审查,要求此人确实对中国有不可替代的作用,老实说,有这种能力的人还真不多,更要命的是,即使某个外国人被认为有这个作用,可以加入中国户籍,他也早已过了征兵的年龄了.
另外,加入PLA还有个必须的程序,对外国人来说是闻所未闻的,那就是政审.尽管这个程序对中国人来说基本是个形式,但对一个外国人来说,几乎是不可逾越的.就我所知,在绝大多数国家,当兵要么是个人选择,要么是法律规定,但是在中国，当兵不仅仅需要你自己同意,征兵军官还需要走访你的家庭和学校以及当地政府部门,征求你的家人对你当兵的意见,了解你的老师对你的评价,并向当地政府了解你的家庭背景,考虑你是否有可能因为家庭或历史原因战场叛变, 这其中只要有一个人对征兵军官说NO,你就压根别想进PLA.换句话讲,一个PLA士兵需要他的家庭,老师和当地政府共同对他的忠诚作出背书,这对一个土生土长的中国人来说很简单,而对一个外国人来说~~~天方夜潭.

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theoretically, it's possible for a foreigner to join the pla, but it's almost impossible in reality. even he succeed, it's not going to be what he thinks- to join the combat troops.
pla only accept people who have "census register" and at the right age. and china is one of the strictest countries about "census register" in the world. please notice it is "census register" not "citizenship". e.g: hong kong and macao, they have chinese citizenship theoretically, but they dont have "census register". so they cnat join the pla. there are only few thousands of foreigners have "census register", but there are millions of them have residence card. in china, foreigners need to obtain a very strict "census register" inspection, to ensure this person does have an irreplaceable role in china （means this person has to be very very important to china). to be honest,there are not much people have this ability. and what's more, even some one does have this ability, he will be over the age of required already.

also, in case of joining the pla, there is a necessary process which is unheard of for foreigners.：政审（政治审查olitical Records Examination). although this process is just a institutional routine，but to a foreigner, it's almost impossible to pass. as i know, join the army in most of the countries in the word is either an obligation or a personal choice, but in china, to become a soldier does not only need your won consent, recruitment officers also need to visit your home and school and local government departments. asking for your family advises and read your teachers' Comments.and asking the local government about your family background. consider whether you may defect because of family or historical reasons. as long as one of them said : no
u are not going to be selected. in other words, a pla soldier needs his family, teachers and local government together to make an endorsement on his loyalty. to a native chinese people this is simple, but to a foreigner--天方夜谭（arabian nights)--means impossible)

omg.....so tired of typing and translatimg all these...
i'm sorry if my chinese english caused reading difficulties to u....