Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[supercat]

Good institutions don’t come out of nowhere. GDP per capita has to rise along with better institutions. The performance of the Chinese gov’t is better than expected consider where China is in terms of development.

Idk how many of you remember the Swine flu in the US.

“Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.“ wiki for 2009 swine flu


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In 1976, an outbreak of the swine flu,

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, New Jersey caused one death, hospitalized 13, and led to a mass immunization program. After the program began, the vaccine was associated with an increase in reports of

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, which can cause paralysis, respiratory arrest, and death. The immunization program was ended after approximately 25% of the population of the United States had been administered the vaccine.

Richard Krause, Director of the

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from 1975 to 1984, writes that the government response to the swine flu outbreak was considered to be too fast and the response to the AIDS epidemic too slow.”- 1976 swine flu

I agree that how good a nation's healthcare institutions and its public health system are strongly correlated to that country's economic development. For example, richer countries almost always have longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate than poorer countries, maybe with the exception of the U.S. Even China, with a fraction of its per capita income,

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Can you help me explain " the severe case ", are they come with severe pneumonia or they came with mild symptoms and became severe ( pneumonia )?
and after how many days it will ( in average / statistic ) increase death?

Well, your guess is as well as mine. I think severe cases = those who admitted with confirmed viral pneumonia + those who have confirmed coronavirus infection and have developed pneumonia at the hospital

This is definitely a institutional failure on part of China. That politicians can overrule doctors on medical issue's. It reminds me of those horror movies where the hero is warning of the impending danger while the local authorities are trying to sweep the danger under the carpet for economic reasons. This is much more than just Wuhan this is what is happening all over China. All local authorities operate more or less the same way. The CDC in China needs more resources and power to act during early stages of a potential outbreak.

And yes the practise of eating exotic animals needs to stop.

In the healthcare system,

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. An institution failure or not, once a mistake has been made, the best way to deal with it is to conduct a thorough investigation called root cause analysis (RCA). The purpose of RCA is not to assign blame and punish those who might be at fault per se. The purpose of RCA is to find the cause of the systemic error, so lessons can be learned and future mishaps can be prevented. The job of the Chinese authority at this point is to separate those who abused their political power from those who made poor professional judgements, while the former should be reprimanded, the latter may still be rehabilitated.

I agree exotic animal markets should have been shutdown nationwide after SARS, to reduce the chance of such epidemics, prevent animal cruelty, and protect endangered species.


February update, daily (cumulative):

2/1: confirmed 2,590 (14,380), suspected 4,562 (19,544*), severe case 315 (2,110), death 45 (304), cured 85 (328), under observation: 137,594 nation-wide
2/2: confirmed 2,829 (17,205), suspected 5,173 (21,558*), severe case 186 (2,296), death 57 (361), cured 147 (475), under observation: 152,700 nation-wide
2/3: confirmed 3,235 (20,438), suspected 5,072 (23,214*), severe case 492 (2,788), death 64 (425), cured 157 (634), under observation: 171,329 nation-wide
2/4: confirmed 3,887 (24,324), suspected 3,971 (23,260*), severe case 431 (3,219), death 65 (490), cured 262 (892), under observation: 185,555 nation-wide
2/5: confirmed 3,694 (28,018), suspected 5,328 (24,702*), severe case 640 (3,859), death 73 (563), cured 261 (1,153), under observation: 186,354 nation-wide
2/6: confirmed 3,143 (31,161), suspected 4,833 (26,359*), severe case 962 (4,821), death 73 (636), cured 387 (1,540), under observation: 186,045 nation-wide
2/7: confirmed 3,399 (34,546), suspected 4,214 (27,657 *), severe case 1,280 (6,101), death 86 (722), cured 510 (2,050), under observation: 189,660 nation-wide

*cumulative suspected = cumulative suspected on the previous day + daily suspected – those who tested positive or negative on the same day (my personal unofficial interpretation)

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[FriedRiceNSpice]

Why ever would people disclose the fact that they ate illegally procured meat when they go to hospitals? It's not like that's critical information for diagnosis, lol!

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now.

They won't disclose that they ate illegal wildlife to the hospital, which is going to hinder efforts by medical staff and scientists to understand the nature of the new illness they are dealing with.

But I would advocate that China should ban wildlife consumption for the simple reason that civilized people do not eat wild animals, and stopping the practice will improve the views that other civilized societies have of China. Same reason the Koreans stopped eating dogs, even though that practice has been a significant part of their culture historically.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Why ever would people disclose the fact that they ate illegally procured meat when they go to hospitals? It's not like that's critical information for diagnosis, lol!

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now.

It is however important for attempting to determine the cause of the infection.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

They won't disclose that they ate illegal wildlife to the hospital, which is going to hinder efforts by medical staff and scientists to understand the nature of the new illness they are dealing with.

But I would advocate that China should ban wildlife consumption for the simple reason that civilized people do not eat wild animals, and stopping the practice will improve the views that other civilized societies have of China. Same reason the Koreans stopped eating dogs, even though that practice has been a significant part of their culture historically.

What "civilized people " do and do not do is rather subjective. If we look at that reasoning that almost the whole of Europe, Canada and the US will not fall into that classification as they do eat wild animals, just that it is not the kind of wild animals the Chinese eats (think deers, wild boar and pheasant).


And the Koreans still love their fido thighs actually.

 

[KYli]

They won't disclose that they ate illegal wildlife to the hospital, which is going to hinder efforts by medical staff and scientists to understand the nature of the new illness they are dealing with.

But I would advocate that China should ban wildlife consumption for the simple reason that civilized people do not eat wild animals, and stopping the practice will improve the views that other civilized societies have of China. Same reason the Koreans stopped eating dogs, even though that practice has been a significant part of their culture historically.

Koreans didn't stop eating dogs. It is still legal to consume dogs in South Korea. Don't let fake news fool you. As for civilized people don't eat wild animals that is simply wrong and stereotype, I personal would careless about these racist westerners and you so called civilized societies and their views of China.

The Swiss love eating dogs especially grinding dogs into sausage. That's the peace loving and civilized people according to you.

Palau love eating bats. Japanese love eating whale meat. Many states in the US and Canada, Europeans allow hunting and eating of wild rabbits, deer and waterfowl, wild boar and pheasant. Should I go on and on? Do you want to talk about the Southeast Asian the Middle East, or Latin Americans etc.

 

[shanlung]

They should because pangolin is suspected of the host for this virus and not bat People in north Sulawes(Menado) has been eating bat for eon and nobody get sick

Did pangolins spread the China coronavirus to people?
Genetic sequences of viruses isolated from the scaly animals are 99% similar to that of the circulating virus — but the work is yet to be formally published.
Researchers in Guangzhou, China, have suggested that pangolins — long-snouted, ant-eating mammals often used in traditional Chinese medicine — are the probable animal source of the coronavirus outbreak that has

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Scientists say that the suggestion, based on a genetic analysis, seems plausible — but caution that the researchers’ work is yet to be published in full. “This is an extremely interesting observation. Although we need to see more details, it does make sense as there are now some other data emerging that pangolins carry viruses that are closely related to 2019-nCoV,” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary virologist at the University of Sydney, Australia.

The identity of the animal source of the coronavirus, named nCoV-2019, has been one of the

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. Coronaviruses are known to circulate in mammals and birds, and scientists have already suggested that nCoV-2019 originally came from bats, a proposal based on the similarity of its genetic sequence to those of other known coronaviruses. But the virus was probably transmitted to humans by another animal. The coronavirus that caused severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS,

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And hopefully, this be able to remove the pangolin, and their scales off the eating list of Chinese and Vietnamese and enable pangolins to have undisturbed life to bring up their own little pangolins.

Pangolin identified as potential link for coronavirus spread

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The new virus, which emerged at a live animal market in central China's Wuhan city late last year, is believed to have originated in bats, but researchers have suggested there could have been an "intermediate host" in the transmission to humans.

 

[solarz]

It is however important for attempting to determine the cause of the infection.

When's the last time you got flu like symptoms and your doctor asked if you ate any pangolins?

 

[solarz]

 

[Deleted member 13312]

When's the last time you got flu like symptoms and your doctor asked if you ate any pangolins?

Since the last time that "flu" actually kills people. You are acting as though diseas control centers do not follow a standard protocol when attempting to discern a previously unknown disease strain.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

And hopefully, this be able to remove the pangolin, and their scales off the eating list of Chinese and Vietnamese and enable pangolins to have undisturbed life to bring up their own little pangolins.

Pangolin identified as potential link for coronavirus spread

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The new virus, which emerged at a live animal market in central China's Wuhan city late last year, is believed to have originated in bats, but researchers have suggested there could have been an "intermediate host" in the transmission to humans.

The problem is that Pangolins are already been banned from consumption quite sometime ago yet people are still eating them. And if civet eating did not diminish in the wake of the SARS outbreak it is unlikely Pangolin filet will .