Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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B.I.B.

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vesicles said:
Latest data from Israel (between Jan 16 and Feb 06)... They compared two groups to distinguish the potential effects of the vaccines vs. a lockdown currently implemented in Israel.

Group 1: > 60 of age, 90% vaccinated
Group 2: < 60 of age, ~30% vaccinated

New cases: Group 1 dropped by 50%; Group 2 dropped by 20%.
Hospitalization: Group 1 dropped by ~40%; Group 2 increased by 15%.
Severe cases: Group 1 dropped by ~30%; Group 2 increased by ~30%.

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Efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine against the UK variant is still 90-95%, same as the other less transmittable strains. No data on the South African variant.

The Pfizer vaccine may also lower the chances of transmission since the viral load on those with vaccines is much lower. that makes them less likely to spread the virus. Still too early to be sure though... but a good sign.
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B.I.B.

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vesicles said:
They needed to respond in some way. They can't agree and can't completely disagree, as they will be seen as disrespecting the experts. This is their response to get out of directly responding to it. They want to differentiate themselves from Trump who kept saying the nonsense without any evidence. Last year, the US intelligence community and Pentagon have all been saying that the virus has a natural origin. Even the Joint Chiefs of Staff came out and said it himself. So when they say they wanted to evaluate all their intelligence and things, I suspect that things will quietly calm down. Of course, nuts like Epoch Times will continue to spread the nonsense. Soon the bioweapon conspiracy will be laughed at just like the lizard people... At least I hope...
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What's your thought on scientists' claims that there is irrefutable evidence that all (?)the genetic evidence leads to China as the original source of the virus?
 
vesicles

vesicles

Colonel
B.I.B. said:
What's your thought on scientists' claims that there is irrefutable evidence that all (?)the genetic evidence leads to China as the original source of the virus?
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Those evidence still holds, to the best of my knowledge. As an early epidemiological study, which came out last Jan (2020) and was written by Chinese scientists, indicated even back then, all epidemiological evidence still points to somewhere in China as one of the originating locations. Even back then, they doubted that the Wuhan meat market was ground zero. Their data suggested that several locations could be starting points, including Wuhan, Shanghai, Chongqing, Shenzhen and Guangzhou, etc. Various studies that followed all showed consistent trends. I also have discussed these points numerous times last year in April when I was fighting multiple fellow members on this... I don't think this has been changed in any meaningful way. From a genetic point of view and to the best of my knowledge, we simply have zero solid evidence to suggest a non-China place as an originating location for the virus. We now have hundreds of thousands of genetic samples of the different strains. They all lead back to China, as unfortunate as it may be...
 
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While we can push back on the politicizing of the virus, deep down in my gut I think the real battle lies in disproving scientists' claims that rock solid genetic evidence all points to China as the source of the virus I'm not sure as to whether WHO addressed that question and until they do, that is going to be the basis of the counter to WHO's current announcement.
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I remember when COVID-19 first broke out in Wuhan, and the source was thought to be a wet market that sold wild animals, there was a lot of condemnation among Chinese circles about the trafficking of wild animals. In fact, you can read about that in this very thread if you jump back a few hundred pages.

However, now that it has been shown that the Huanan Market was NOT the source of the outbreak, and that there is really no evidence that the outbreak came from wild animals being sold for food, I think it's really irrelevant where this virus naturally occurred. I mean of course it's important to know from a medical and scientific point of view, so that we can try to avoid it in the future, but from a social point of view, there's really not much anyone can do about naturally occurring diseases. Whether it came from China or any other country on Earth really has no bearing on anything.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
solarz said:
I remember when COVID-19 first broke out in Wuhan, and the source was thought to be a wet market that sold wild animals, there was a lot of condemnation among Chinese circles about the trafficking of wild animals. In fact, you can read about that in this very thread if you jump back a few hundred pages.

However, now that it has been shown that the Huanan Market was NOT the source of the outbreak, and that there is really no evidence that the outbreak came from wild animals being sold for food, I think it's really irrelevant where this virus naturally occurred. I mean of course it's important to know from a medical and scientific point of view, so that we can try to avoid it in the future, but from a social point of view, there's really not much anyone can do about naturally occurring diseases. Whether it came from China or any other country on Earth really has no bearing on anything.
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With all the climate changes going on around the globe, all kinds of novel and weird viruses will emerge in the near future. So finding an animal source may not even be scientifically interesting anymore. With the kind of close contact between human and the bugs, it will be difficult for us to avoid them...
 
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vesicles said:
With all the climate changes going on around the globe, all kinds of novel and weird viruses will emerge in the near future. So finding an animal source may not even be scientifically interesting anymore. With the kind of close contact between human and the bugs, it will be difficult for us to avoid them...
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Exactly. Whats even more worrying are those are those bacteria and viruses that lay dormant for thousands or even millions of years under ice or permafrost will start to make human contact sooner or later. This is just a wakeup call. Between 1919 and 2020, humanity just had two major airborne pademics and a number of minor pandemics in between 100 years. Later we will see this frequency will increase.
 
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