Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Haha, see what I mean?

Now that that's happened, if you're Macron or Merkel are you really going to let Hungary get fully vaccinated ahead of your country and economically recover first and potentially scoop up market share while your industry is still recovering?

Juicy vaccine war drama coming up shortly.
 

vesicles

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I haven't seen any report regarding how effective or safety of Chinese vaccines being used oversea. If you guys have such reports, please share!
Below is a peer-reviewed publication on a phase 1/2 trial of Sinovac
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I don't think any of the Chinese companies has published their phase 3 data yet. I can only find news reporting...
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And this is a review article discussing various mature vaccine developments. SInovac's and Sinopharm's vaccines are discussed as well.
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vesicles

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Is it a coincidence that both times Covid surges happened right before New Years
It's definitely temperature-dependent. Coronaviruses love cold and dry weather. People tend to spend more time indoors in cold weather. This makes viral spreading easier when people are trapped in small spaces.

I know that COVID-19 was pretty bad in the summer too. However, it's nothing compared to what is happening now... Just look at the curves in the US...
 

Hadoren

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Johnson and Johnson probably doesn't have 50% efficacy. They talk about 66% effectiveness against "moderate and severe" cases, but not all symptomatic coronavirus. I remember Sinovac tried to pull the same trick.

The actual result:

"Moderate and severe" casesTotal symptomatic cases (what we define as "efficacy")
Sinovac78%50%
Johnson & Johnson66%Not reported (probably below 50%)
 

Hadoren

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Johnson and Johnson probably doesn't have 50% efficacy. They talk about 66% effectiveness against "moderate and severe" cases, but not all symptomatic coronavirus. I remember Sinovac tried to pull the same trick.

The actual result:

"Moderate and severe" casesTotal symptomatic cases (what we define as "efficacy")
Sinovac78%50%
Johnson & Johnson66%Not reported (probably below 50%)
Okay, looks like Johnson & Johnson define "moderate" cases as two or more symptoms, while Sinovac defined "moderate" cases as needing assistance but not hospitalization. So they're not comparable. Please disregard my previous post.

Johnson & Johnson's trial didn't consider coronavirus cases with one symptom, which some other trials did. It seems like there's a lot of fudging and manipulation going on in these trials.
 

localizer

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Haha, see what I mean?

Now that that's happened, if you're Macron or Merkel are you really going to let Hungary get fully vaccinated ahead of your country and economically recover first and potentially scoop up market share while your industry is still recovering?

Juicy vaccine war drama coming up shortly.
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Drama
 

Quickie

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Maybe Sinovac should’ve only released data on severe and moderate cases as well.

But then the MSM would cry foul on that

fukem, in the end it’s really the scientists that help governments decide

Johnson and Johnson probably doesn't have 50% efficacy. They talk about 66% effectiveness against "moderate and severe" cases, but not all symptomatic coronavirus. I remember Sinovac tried to pull the same trick.

The actual result:

"Moderate and severe" casesTotal symptomatic cases (what we define as "efficacy")
Sinovac78%50%
Johnson & Johnson66%Not reported (probably below 50%)

Okay, looks like Johnson & Johnson define "moderate" cases as two or more symptoms, while Sinovac defined "moderate" cases as needing assistance but not hospitalization. So they're not comparable. Please disregard my previous post.

Johnson & Johnson's trial didn't consider coronavirus cases with one symptom, which some other trials did. It seems like there's a lot of fudging and manipulation going on in these trials.

Needing assistance would be at the stage where there would be more symptoms, meaning that may push the 66% even lower for J & J. because it can't include those with two or three symptoms into the calculation of those protected by the vaccine (assuming the vaccine has better protection for those with milder symptoms).


Meanwhile, BBC is reporting on TV news so and so vaccines (from UK and US) having over 90%, Russian vaccine over 90% with the caveat "according to Russian sources" and Chinese vaccine Sinovac at 50.4%, not surprisingly choosing the least efficacy rate out of a range of test results that ranges up to over 91%.

The thing that is so unjust and unfair is why is these media even comparing the vaccines in this way when the efficacy rate of these vaccines are derived from very different criteria and different settings.
 
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localizer

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India: has the Covid pandemic started to burn itself out?​

Coronavirus cases are dropping sharply, raising the prospect that parts of the country are nearing herd immunity

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What a polite presentation of the obvious
So they got a less virulent/fatal strain of the virus they think? Most people were asymptomatic in India due to being “more exposed to pathogens” and young and thin.

Seems to he the case with Pakistan too. And also Africa hmmm.



I keep saying they reached herd and people don’t believe me :p:cool:
 
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