Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

plawolf

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This is why America has been so energetic in developing and distribution tools to help their agents aka ‘dissents’ to breach and circumvent China’s great firewall. They are not really worried that those tools might be used against them since if they don’t like what you have to say, rather than just banning Americans from seeing it, they will just deplatform you so no one can see it. American ‘rule of law’ system exemplified.
 

vincent

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All attention has focused on the dramatic efficacy results: Pfizer reported 170 PCR confirmed covid-19 cases, split 8 to 162 between vaccine and placebo groups. But these numbers were dwarfed by a category of disease called “suspected covid-19”—those with symptomatic covid-19 that were not PCR confirmed. According to FDA’s report on Pfizer’s vaccine, there were “3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group.”

With 20 times more suspected than confirmed cases, this category of disease cannot be ignored simply because there was no positive PCR test result. Indeed this makes it all the more urgent to understand. A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, would be a relative risk reduction of 19% (see footnote)—far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization set by regulators. Even after removing cases occurring within 7 days of vaccination (409 on Pfizer’s vaccine vs. 287 on placebo), which should include the majority of symptoms due to short-term vaccine reactogenicity, vaccine efficacy remains low: 29% (see footnote).
 

localizer

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All attention has focused on the dramatic efficacy results: Pfizer reported 170 PCR confirmed covid-19 cases, split 8 to 162 between vaccine and placebo groups. But these numbers were dwarfed by a category of disease called “suspected covid-19”—those with symptomatic covid-19 that were not PCR confirmed. According to FDA’s report on Pfizer’s vaccine, there were “3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group.”

With 20 times more suspected than confirmed cases, this category of disease cannot be ignored simply because there was no positive PCR test result. Indeed this makes it all the more urgent to understand. A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, would be a relative risk reduction of 19% (see footnote)—far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization set by regulators. Even after removing cases occurring within 7 days of vaccination (409 on Pfizer’s vaccine vs. 287 on placebo), which should include the majority of symptoms due to short-term vaccine reactogenicity, vaccine efficacy remains low: 29% (see footnote).

Considering how they just inoculated millions, we will soon see the truth efficacy.
 

vesicles

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All attention has focused on the dramatic efficacy results: Pfizer reported 170 PCR confirmed covid-19 cases, split 8 to 162 between vaccine and placebo groups. But these numbers were dwarfed by a category of disease called “suspected covid-19”—those with symptomatic covid-19 that were not PCR confirmed. According to FDA’s report on Pfizer’s vaccine, there were “3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group.”

With 20 times more suspected than confirmed cases, this category of disease cannot be ignored simply because there was no positive PCR test result. Indeed this makes it all the more urgent to understand. A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, would be a relative risk reduction of 19% (see footnote)—far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization set by regulators. Even after removing cases occurring within 7 days of vaccination (409 on Pfizer’s vaccine vs. 287 on placebo), which should include the majority of symptoms due to short-term vaccine reactogenicity, vaccine efficacy remains low: 29% (see footnote).

Yes, we need to see the raw data to better examine the results and conclusions. With that being said, the 19% number would be the worst case scenario, where all suspected positive cases turns out to be positive. A typical positivity rate in the US varies between 2% to 50%, meaning that, among all those who display COVID-like symptoms and go to get a test, 2-50% ends up testing positive. Without the actual data, we can't be sure of anything. But the efficacy may be lower than 95%...

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Considering how they just inoculated millions, we will soon see the truth efficacy.

Well, my guesstimate would be at least another few months before we can see any statistically meaningful difference, even assuming both vaccines maintain the high efficacy. Although millions have been inoculated, it's still a small percentage of the total population.
 

sinophilia

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More 'leaks' in Brazil before official results released tomorrow. Not sure if they are just trying to paint an overly negative picture again, but there always seems to be negative China news out of Brazil so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
 

localizer

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More 'leaks' in Brazil before official results released tomorrow. Not sure if they are just trying to paint an overly negative picture again, but there always seems to be negative China news out of Brazil so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
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At ~60%, they better make it like $5 per dose.
 
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