Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[broadsword]

Banning exotic animals off the plate on the table isn't going to resolve the problem, if anything it is going to push the wildlife trade underground which will exacerbate the problem. Such knee jerk actions are the last things China needs to do, what is more important is to create a way to regulate and test safety for exotic foods.

I disagree. Not banning unwanted practises means more people are allowed to continue with their undesirable behavior instead of reducing them. Banning is not going to stamp out overnight, but with education, law enforcement and rise in living standards, new habits and behavior will become the mainstream and old ones the outlier.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

You misunderstand me. Not hoping for anything. Just read there were discontent on Chinese social media about this death on a western media outlet.

I'm just here to confirm what I read.

One should not use discontent in social media as barometer for the country wide attitude Western media is notorously amplify and discontent to support their agenda or superiority attitude toward Chinese system
The regime survive worst calamity before men made or nature and they survive
I guess the socalled mandate of heaven must be severely violated before there is any thought of rebellion.
1 Violation of national territory by outside forces and the gov can't do nothing about it
2 Incompetent government that lead to chaos and destitute of the people
3 Corruption resulting in gross inequality and impotent government function

So far CCP is far remove from those sins So don't believe all those western media
Does anyone remember Jasmine revolution Some overseas Chinese organization called Baosun posted call for anti demonstration against CCP All the western media hail it as the end of CCP rule and show up at the venue of demonstration to document the uprising
Well nobody show up to the disappointment of media

 

[Deleted member 13312]

I disagree. Not banning unwanted practises means more people are allowed to continue with their undesirable behavior instead of reducing them. Banning is not going to stamp out overnight, but with education, law enforcement and rise in living standards, new habits and behavior will become the mainstream and old ones the outlier.

H1N1 came from pigs and H1N5 came from chickens, should China ban them too ? And to be frank the act of eating exotic wildlife is not in itself undesirable, anymore than drinking alcohol and smoking is. It is the health issues that are attributed to it, in which case both alcohol and cigarettes beat out wildlife meat by the spades but we don't see China banning those.
And it is really because of rising standards of living and education that wildlife consumption has become more popular. It changes from being a means of survival to that of a status symbol.
Regulating their consumption is the best way forward instead of a abrupt blanket ban that is most certainty going to push the trade underground like how it did with the ivory trade. But what is worst is that if another outbreak does happen and which has it's roots in wildlife meat, it will be even more difficult for authorities to pin down the source because people will be reluctant to disclose that they have been doing something illegal. People will attempt to hide their conditions which will only make the epidemic worst.
It will be a classical case of the solution being worse than the problem it intended to solve.
In fact regulating the consumption can prove to be the first step in discouraging people from actually eating exotic animals. Regulations and procedures will push the price up for the products, which will form an effective barrier against people buying them.

 

[solarz]

H1N1 came from pigs and H1N5 came from chickens, should China ban them too ? And to be frank the act of eating exotic wildlife is not in itself undesirable, anymore than drinking alcohol and smoking is. It is the health issues that are attributed to it, in which case both alcohol and cigarettes beat out wildlife meat by the spades but we don't see China banning those.
Regulating their consumption is the best way forward instead of a abrupt blanket ban that is most certainty going to push the trade underground like how it did with the ivory trade. But what is worst is that if another outbreak does happen and which has it's roots in wildlife meat, it will be even more difficult for authorities to pin down the source because people will be reluctant to disclose that they have been doing something illegal. People will attempt to hide their conditions which will only make the epidemic worst.
It will be a classical case of the solution being worse than the problem it intended to solve.

You miss the point.

Wildlife trafficking is inherently illegal, because most of the species in demand are protected in the first place!

If people wanted to eat bamboo rats, for example, which is not endangered or protected, then they should get their meat from farms that have regular health inspections.

There will never be, however, any farms for pangolins or other such endangered animals.

China's ivory trade ban has had a huge dampening effect on the demand, so if anything, this shows the effectiveness of blanket bans.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Jan 21, 2020

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by the way I've never figured how doctors protect themselves while they need to carefully check a patient at the same time if you know what I'm saying, well personally I admire doctors

A man stops by a message drawn into the snow that reads, "Farewell to Li Wenliang" in Beijing on Friday. Credit: Chinatopix/AP

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[Deleted member 13312]

You miss the point.

Wildlife trafficking is inherently illegal, because most of the species in demand are protected in the first place!

If people wanted to eat bamboo rats, for example, which is not endangered or protected, then they should get their meat from farms that have regular health inspections.

There will never be, however, any farms for pangolins or other such endangered animals.

China's ivory trade ban has had a huge dampening effect on the demand, so if anything, this shows the effectiveness of blanket bans.

You are also missing some points here, we aren't talking about endangered wildlife exclusively, but also wildlife that are not covered under them. Last I check, bats and snakes are not on the protected species list nor are they endangered, they are however not bred on farms so people aren't bothered with checking their conditions before selling them

It is precisely this factor that makes them vulnerable to contamination. Banning them is not going to change that, but regulating and setting procedures for their consumption will.

And you also missed the point on the ivory trade ban, ivory demand has lowered yes but it is not eliminated. It had merely migrated to the black market which is troubling because it is impossible to account for how many ivory are hunted from elephants and traded because smugglers and traders resort to all sorts of tricks to relabel the ivory as "legally procured" which defeats the whole purpose of the ban. Moreover. the ban was not a complete one as people can still trade and purchase ivory products. While this new ban threatens to be a complete one .

And most importantly, ivory does not infect and kill people while infected wildlife meat does.

 

[Jura The idiot]

“Are you concerned that China is covering up the full extent of the coronavirus?” a reporter asked Trump on the White House south lawn today.

Here's how he replied:

"No, China’s working very hard. Late last night I had a very good talk with President Xi and mostly we talked about the coronavirus. They’re working really hard and I think they’re doing a very professional job. They’re in touch with … (the World Health Organization), CDC also."



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[Hendrik_2000]

You miss the point.

Wildlife trafficking is inherently illegal, because most of the species in demand are protected in the first place!

If people wanted to eat bamboo rats, for example, which is not endangered or protected, then they should get their meat from farms that have regular health inspections.

There will never be, however, any farms for pangolins or other such endangered animals.

China's ivory trade ban has had a huge dampening effect on the demand, so if anything, this shows the effectiveness of blanket bans.

They should because pangolin is suspected of the host for this virus and not bat People in north Sulawes(Menado) has been eating bat for eon and nobody get sick

Did pangolins spread the China coronavirus to people?
Genetic sequences of viruses isolated from the scaly animals are 99% similar to that of the circulating virus — but the work is yet to be formally published.
Researchers in Guangzhou, China, have suggested that pangolins — long-snouted, ant-eating mammals often used in traditional Chinese medicine — are the probable animal source of the coronavirus outbreak that has

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Scientists say that the suggestion, based on a genetic analysis, seems plausible — but caution that the researchers’ work is yet to be published in full. “This is an extremely interesting observation. Although we need to see more details, it does make sense as there are now some other data emerging that pangolins carry viruses that are closely related to 2019-nCoV,” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary virologist at the University of Sydney, Australia.

The identity of the animal source of the coronavirus, named nCoV-2019, has been one of the

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. Coronaviruses are known to circulate in mammals and birds, and scientists have already suggested that nCoV-2019 originally came from bats, a proposal based on the similarity of its genetic sequence to those of other known coronaviruses. But the virus was probably transmitted to humans by another animal. The coronavirus that caused severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS,

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[Jura The idiot]

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Are you able to point out what exactly the Wuhan authorities did that was inexcusable?

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Glob. Times
More derelict officials to be disciplined

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could, I guess:

Five days ahead of the city lockdown of Wuhan, this community organized a huge banquet, a traditional activity at the time of the Chinese New Year, where 40,000 people attended.

Getting people together will also add to the possibility of becoming infected, and organizing such large-scale social activities reflected the ignorance of local authorities, which should also be held accountable, according to analysts.

(that event previously reported by the NYT

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-- even says 40k families, not just 40k people -- posted Jan 29, 2020)

 

[SpicySichuan]

Jan 21, 2020

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What about the earlier accusation that Dr. Li spread rumors? Would he be posthumously exonerated?