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emblem21

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Btw, alot of good news on the covid-19 vaccine front from china:

Sinovac just published pre-print Phase II results and Sinopharm published peer-reviewed Phase II results.

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Basically at this point, all 3 chinese vaccines are heading into Phase III testing (including Cansino) and all appear to be backed up by peer-reviewed results in premier western journals. 3 of 6 vaccines being chinese heading into the final stretch looks good, and any chinese vaccine announcement will likely not be met with same skepticism as sputnik V.
Yeah, funny that a Chinese vaccine is going to be what saves the world and not either Russia or the USA can change this matter. I mean not many trusts Russia and about no one will trust the USA with that whole conspiracy to introduce microchips involved
 

muddie

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This chart convinces me that it will be better for China if Biden/the Democrat Party wins in the presidential election.
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I'd disagree.

A Biden / Democrat administration pushes for unity and increased corporation with EU allies. A Biden administration could also seem "soft" on China on the surface but they are more crafty, strategic and better at the geopolitical game. Like others have said before, if Biden wins there will be more tension in the SCS and China would need to be careful of EU countries like UK, France and Germany especially around trade and economic times.

The Trump administration is aggressive to the point of recklessness. Trump is not only driving internal divided in the U.S. (race, left wing vs. right, gender, etc.) but he is also creating a divide between the U.S. and traditional allies like UK, France, Germany and even countries like Canada and Australia.

IMO had Clinton won instead of Trump, China would have been in big trouble because Clinton is a China hawk and her administration would have handled COVID and race relations magnitudes better than the Trump administration.
 

BMEWS

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I'd disagree.

A Biden / Democrat administration pushes for unity and increased corporation with EU allies. A Biden administration could also seem "soft" on China on the surface but they are more crafty, strategic and better at the geopolitical game. Like others have said before, if Biden wins there will be more tension in the SCS and China would need to be careful of EU countries like UK, France and Germany especially around trade and economic times.

The Trump administration is aggressive to the point of recklessness. Trump is not only driving internal divided in the U.S. (race, left wing vs. right, gender, etc.) but he is also creating a divide between the U.S. and traditional allies like UK, France, Germany and even countries like Canada and Australia.

IMO had Clinton won instead of Trump, China would have been in big trouble because Clinton is a China hawk and her administration would have handled COVID and race relations magnitudes better than the Trump administration.

If Trump wins four more years he may start WWIII or use tactical nukes against China... Instead of a slow managed decline of America in which the US lands softly into a niche category as a has-been empire in a multipolar world with China as the leader, we could be getting a scotched earth policy of the US in which no one wins and the outcome too horrible for all.

Trump has many talented people like Pompeo working for him, and like him or not, Pompeo is very astute, he "gets around", and went to Harvard, West Point grad, CIA director, Senator, and has the knowledge, skills, credentials and experience that Trump lacks etc.... Bannon wants nothing more than to genocide all 1.4 billion Chinese people of the world but he sees the bigger picture and is correct in his assessment that at the end of the day only one system can win, and either US changes China or China eventually goes on to influence the whole world...

As I said before, Trump is an accelerant but this is a double edged sword in and of itself
 

muddie

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If Trump wins four more years he may start WWIII or use tactical nukes against China... Instead of a slow managed decline of America in which the US lands softly into a niche category as a has-been empire in a multipolar world with China as the leader, we could be getting a scotched earth policy of the US in which no one wins and the outcome too horrible for all.

Trump has many talented people like Pompeo working for him, and like him or not, Pompeo is very astute, he "gets around", and went to Harvard, West Point grad, CIA director, Senator, and has the knowledge, skills, credentials and experience that Trump lacks etc.... Bannon wants nothing more than to genocide all 1.4 billion Chinese people of the world but he sees the bigger picture and is correct in his assessment that at the end of the day only one system can win, and either US changes China or China eventually goes on to influence the whole world...

As I said before, Trump is an accelerant but this is a double edged sword in and of itself

The only reason Trump is increasing the rhetoric against China in the first place is because he doesn't feel like he can win the election and therefore trying to put the blame on China. If Trump wins the election the tensions will cool down versus now.

Trump and other elites have no interest in starting a war or any military engagement against China. At the end of the day the U.S. elites wants wealth and they won't risk their well being by threatening war versus China. In fact most U.S. politicians have vested interest in companies that have high exposure to China anyways.
 

emblem21

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I'd disagree.

A Biden / Democrat administration pushes for unity and increased corporation with EU allies. A Biden administration could also seem "soft" on China on the surface but they are more crafty, strategic and better at the geopolitical game. Like others have said before, if Biden wins there will be more tension in the SCS and China would need to be careful of EU countries like UK, France and Germany especially around trade and economic times.

The Trump administration is aggressive to the point of recklessness. Trump is not only driving internal divided in the U.S. (race, left wing vs. right, gender, etc.) but he is also creating a divide between the U.S. and traditional allies like UK, France, Germany and even countries like Canada and Australia.

IMO had Clinton won instead of Trump, China would have been in big trouble because Clinton is a China hawk and her administration would have handled COVID and race relations magnitudes better than the Trump administration.
Even if Biden wins, it still isn’t going to solve the current problems that the USA now faces and if the nation ends up going into a civil war instead, he will have his hands full (given his advanced age where it has been stated that he has memory issues and the danger of covid is no where near over) in trying to restore an economy that has lost so many jobs that it is going to take a decade to get them back.
Also, since Hillary didn’t win, I take it as a sign from God that judgement is coming and given that the two leadership candidates are far from good, things are going to be very interesting. Given that trump is becoming more spiteful against even his own people and since China isn’t forcefully seeking vengeance, I feel that trump may become a far greater danger to the American people then China could hope to be, since if he loses, he be charged by an American judge, not a Chinese one, hence he may direct his wrath on the American people instead if his attacks on the new running mate of Biden is anything to go by
 
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caudaceus

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I'd disagree.

A Biden / Democrat administration pushes for unity and increased corporation with EU allies. A Biden administration could also seem "soft" on China on the surface but they are more crafty, strategic and better at the geopolitical game. Like others have said before, if Biden wins there will be more tension in the SCS and China would need to be careful of EU countries like UK, France and Germany especially around trade and economic times.

The Trump administration is aggressive to the point of recklessness. Trump is not only driving internal divided in the U.S. (race, left wing vs. right, gender, etc.) but he is also creating a divide between the U.S. and traditional allies like UK, France, Germany and even countries like Canada and Australia.

IMO had Clinton won instead of Trump, China would have been in big trouble because Clinton is a China hawk and her administration would have handled COVID and race relations magnitudes better than the Trump administration.

Not really. Biden attempts to "neutralize" China with Multilateralism might not work for several reasons

1. Past Obama's attempts to build a multilateral coalition failed to deter China's activities in the South China Sea.
2. Each member of the said coalition might have different agenda, it is difficult to completely synchronize them. For example, South East Asia governments do not really share U.S concerns regarding human rights, HK National Security Law, and IP theft. As shown in lack of solid outcomes from both EU and ASEAN regarding China.
3. A swift change of strategy will give China the perception that the U.S cant handles "stick match" e.g. trade war. This perception will embolden China.
4. Building a new coalition will consume a lot of political capital, no lest because of Trump's alienating allies.
5. China itself is in the process of building her own "iron brothers" and cement her influence within UN bodies.
6. Biden might be distracted by other crisis, possible next flashpoint include Belarus (Putin might annex it), middle east (Arab + Israel might attempt to do a preemptive strike against Iran due to fear of Iran military buildup post embargo) or the Mediterranean sea (Greece vs Turkey)


Clinton is a China hawk and her administration would have handled COVID and race relations magnitudes better than the Trump administration.

On the other hand, I believe Clinton will focus more on Russia and the Middle East compared to Trump. Also, I read a memo written while Clinton was the Secretary of State in Wikileak(IIRC), it said that they are kind of sure that Taiwan would be economically swallowed up by PRC sooner or later and there is no value in preventing that.
 

ansy1968

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If Trump wins four more years he may start WWIII or use tactical nukes against China... Instead of a slow managed decline of America in which the US lands softly into a niche category as a has-been empire in a multipolar world with China as the leader, we could be getting a scotched earth policy of the US in which no one wins and the outcome too horrible for all.

Trump has many talented people like Pompeo working for him, and like him or not, Pompeo is very astute, he "gets around", and went to Harvard, West Point grad, CIA director, Senator, and has the knowledge, skills, credentials and experience that Trump lacks etc.... Bannon wants nothing more than to genocide all 1.4 billion Chinese people of the world but he sees the bigger picture and is correct in his assessment that at the end of the day only one system can win, and either US changes China or China eventually goes on to influence the whole world...

As I said before, Trump is an accelerant but this is a double edged sword in and of itself
Hi BMEWS,

I shared your view, and since I live in this region where the major conflict may happen, its scary, I'll never wish to experience war during my lifetime and Im really afraid what future hold for my children. The irony of it all , we or most of us have NO VOICES in this matter, we all relied on the good grace of the AMERICAN ELECTORATE to do the right thing. Im not a religious man , but sometimes I pray that sanity will prevail in the end.
 
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