Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

vesicles

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I don’t know whether to laugh or cry...
I can only say there is a difference between incompetence and intentional incompetence.

Well, I’m not sure how one can distinguish the two...

I have a family member living in a Texas town came back from Europe a few weeks ago. He first, then his entire family, began to experience most of the classic symptoms of the COVId-19. They made several attempts to get tested. They had the travel history and they displayed all the classic symptoms. They should satisfy all the criteria for a test. However, every time, they were turned away at the various testing centers. Several of his colleagues, who went on the same business trip to Europe, all showed classic symptoms. And they had all been turned away by testing officials. All this time, their home town proudly showed “0” confirmed cases. Would you classify this as incompetence or intentional incompetence?

Germany is showing an especially low death rate. Everyone was amazed by their incredible health care system. It turned out they only counted those directly dying from Coronavirus-caused pneumonia. Others who died of the COVID-19 but from other complications were not counted. Would that be incompetence or intentional incompetence?

Do you define these acts as intentionally playing with numbers to hide things? Maybe intentionally playing dumb and pretending to be asleep?

Unlike most of the world at this very moment or a month ago when the outbreak exploded in Europe and America, China didn’t have the benefit of the hind sight when they got hit 3-4 months ago. They had no idea what hit them. They spent much time debating how they should characterize the disease, hence going back and forth with their numbers. Should they just count everyone with a pneumonia? Should they also count kidney failure and liver failure too? Some experts wanted one way while others wanted other ways. So they went back and forth. And the numbers kept changing accordingly. For outsiders, it looked like they were trying to play with numbers. In reality, they were trying to make sense of things. Of course, their actions could easily be interpreted as them intentionally hiding things. But in the early days without the benefit of the hind sight, what do you expect them to do? It’s like a person who gets lost and is trying to find his way back home. He goes zigzag around the neighborhood. But one can also simply show his mysterious zigzagging route to others and say “see! He’s intentionally trying to lose his stalkers, or he’s trying to waste time before he has to go home...”.

They also made serious efforts trying to control information so that they would not prematurely and most likely unnecessarily cause chaos before they knew what hit them. To be sure, doctors in any country see weird diseases popping up all the time. In most cases, these weird diseases disappear as quickly as they show up. What were the chances that this time would be any different? So they warned their clinicians not to say anything and cause panic unnecessarily when they worked on a potential solution. Most hospitals around the world have policies like this. In the US, we have HIPPA policies that specifically prohibit hospital employees from leaking information about diseases to the public. Of course, most in the general public are not aware of these policies. And if someone shouts: “ see! Chinese hospitals are trying to silence their doctors!” Everyone in the public will go “how terrible!” What they don’t know is that every hospital in virtually every country in the world has policies like this.

Did the Chinese make the correct decisions? With the benefit of the hind sight, we now can say that they made poor decisions at the beginning. Many of these decisions can certainly be painted as intentionally doing something bad.

Why did the Germans invent a new way of counting their dead. Whose idea was it to come up with the creative way to count only COVID-19 pneumonia? Does it look like they were intentionally trying to make Germany’s numbers look so amazingly good?

Why did the Texas home town of my family member intentionally refuse to test them? To make their numbers look good?

In Houston, when any of us wants to be tested, we have to go through a strict phone interview. If we don’t pass it, we can’t get tested. The real reason is that they simply don’t have enough test kits. However, someone can also conveniently ignore to mention this fact, and simply interprets it as an intentional attempt to keep the total confirmed cases low. It sounds and looks equally legit, doesn’t it?

What is happening in Europe and the US is simply unacceptable. Most European countries and the US had been aware of the major symptoms of the COVID-19 for nearly two month. In addition to the Chinese government making daily reports of their progress, chinese clinicians and scientists have been publishing their findings in top tier science and medical journals since early January. To the extent that any study coming out of Wuhan And Hubei would be published in good science and medical journals. During that period, the Chinese scientists and clinicians have racked up tons of top tier publications that will undoubtedly benefit their careers. In their studies, they’ve listed all the classic symptoms and useful treatment options. They’ve shown detailed genomic data and analyses of the virus. They’ve shown all the detailed statistics of their patients. I myself have cited the links of many of those publications in this very thread. So they have been sharing their most valuable information with the entire world since the beginning. They have the publications to show for it. And all the medical professionals around the world have been gathering these information from the beginning. Everyone knows!!

As with the general public, We’ve seen the devastation of this virus in China since late January as soon as we heard about the lockdown in Wuhan. With all the conspiracy theories and rumors floating around in the media about however many hundreds of thousands people died, how can anyone with their right mind still say “we didn’t know! You didn’t tell us!” Well, in his tweets, Senator Tom Cotton has been religiously reporting all the devastations happening in Wuhan and the potentially deadly “bioweapon” invented by the Chinese since day one. Senator Cotton was never shy about describing the horrific hell-on-earth condition in Wuhan. Did he fail to relay any of the devastation to the President? Did no one see his tweets? Did no one see any of the reports coming out of any of the major new media? Why is everyone acting like they knew nothing about this?

During late January and the entire February, China has been reporting their numbers, including a huge jump of nearly 20,000 confirmed cases on one day. If you look at their chart, it looks weird and ugly. Shouldn’t they make their charts prettier if they make up their numbers? And whenever they show their numbers, other countries yelled “it’s fake! It must be worse than that!” So everyone knew all along that it must be very bad!

In Texa, we get hit a lot by hurricanes. In a hurricane season, all we need to know are two things: (1) it’s a category 5 hurricane, and (2) it’s coming our way! Then we know it’s time to prepare for a hurricane. Dust off your power generators, stock up water and food, buy sandbags, board up your windows and doors, etc etc etc. Shouldn’t fighting a transmissible virus the same way. All we need to know are two things: (1) the virus is bad, and (2) it’s coming our way. It’s time to get ready! We knew these things in late January. We were all watching the terrible lockdown in Wuhan in our comfortable houses, while eating popcorns.

Even in early February, Asians in Europe and America have started getting beat up and spit on because of their perceived connections with the virus. So people knew?! And people knew it was bad. Why didn’t anyone start preparing? Why is everyone still acting like no one knew it’s this bad? Why did people beat up Asians if this was just a flu? You beat up people because of a flu?!

The rest of the world had two months to prepare for the outbreak (after the much publicized and demonized lockdown of Wuhan). TWO months! They’ve wasted the two months while watching China fighting for its life, while giving commentaries and making judgements like discussing a sports game or a gladiator fight. Now they put all the blame on the Chinese?
 
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SteelBird

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I came across a CNN article about some European countries accusing the US of hijacking their medical supplies. However, I can't find that article anymore on the website. Is it removed?

however, I find similar article on The Guardian but a bit less content:
US buyers waving wads of cash managed to wrest control of a consignment of masks as it was about to be dispatched from China to one of the worst-hit coronavirus areas of
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, according to two French officials.

The masks were on a plane at Shanghai airport that was ready to take off when the US buyers turned up and offered three times what their French counterparts were paying.

Jean Rottner, a doctor and president of the GrandEst regional council, said part of the order of several million masks heading for the region, where intensive care units are inundated with Covid-19 patients, had been lost to the buyers.

“On the tarmac, they arrive, get the cash out … so we really have to fight,” he told RTL radio.

Rottner would not identify the buyers, who they were working for or which US state the cargo was flown to, but another French official also involved in procuring masks from
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said the group were acting for the US government.
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localizer

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The virus receptor gene is highly conserved and primal:

Ill assume these are potential hosts.

Homologs.

The ACE2 gene is conserved in chimpanzee, Rhesus monkey, dog, cow, mouse, rat, chicken, zebrafish, C.elegans, and frog.



300+ orthologs.

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shanlung

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I make no apologies for my repeated posting of this. My first posting done was before 14 Feb (as that was when I posted onto my Facebook. I normally post it into WhatsApp and forum a day before Facebook. No one cared about it then as Covid 19 was so far far away and not going to be any problem.

I posted it again a couple more times since then. So if anyone moan and groan another repeat from me, i dont give a shit. Especially as they go on about how great Western politicians are in further accusing China of being slow and China fault that covid 19 spreading so fast in their countries

I wrote of this again.

And resurfaced this in my Facebook on 20 March

Of which I wrote
It will be useful to revisit this again.
Especially with the gift of hindsight, and witnessing whats done in the Western world and USA in their fight.
They complained and moaned and bitched that China was very slow and refusing to release information.
Consider when this happend in Wuhan, so little was known at that time.
The West cannot make this excuse. They seen the fight and how the fight by China against covid19 unfolding over the weeks
and months buying the West time to prepare themselves.
No need for West to build hospitals from ground in ten days as done by China.
They spend the time mocking and laughing and taking glee in the growing and growing numbers of stricken and death in China.
Drawing cartoons to mock and disparage China and Chinese.
Wasting the time China bought for them.

To me, and I imagine to you all here, the speed of China response was breath taking.
And China dared to do a lock down on eve of Chinese New Year .
And we seen what Western countries done and failing and failing despite their much vaunted
Democracy, Freedom of Speech, and Consideration for Human Values and Human rights by throwing their people under the bus while their Politicans continue to make hay like there is no tomorrow.
Wuhan was the nerve center for rail and road all for all China.
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And since then, the venomous tirades from the Western MSM and politicans rose to even greater heights.

Recently we seen further screams from Western politicans and Western MSM heaping even more mud and shit on China and demanding China pay and that China was late and lacking in their responses and not revealing the full extent when that occured in China. And madness inherent in Western mind of sueing China for $20 trillion lawsuit.
And pondering if there can be "incompetence" or even "intentional incompetence"

Instead of focusing on the task to save their own people, they showed instead their great expertise in fabricating half truths and outright lies.

So here it is again. Watch it and see it to the end.
And you decide if China , or USA and other Great Western Democracies showed "incompetence" or "intention incompetence".

 

supercat

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So some fringe conspiracy lunatics decided to sue the Chinese government without evidence, as reported by some India fake news website? Would they even recoup their expenses? As for Boris Johnson, he lashed out at China without good reason earlier. But I wish him well.

Situation in New York metro area:

Cases:64,955
Total hospitalized*:14,205
Deaths:2,472
As of:04/05/2020, 5:00pm

The data in the following charts are one day old:

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Situation in the U.S. on April 5 8:00 pm EDT:

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On April 5, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 1 domestic new case and 38 imported new case. There are 10 suspected cases, all imported. There are 78 new asymptomatic cases and 1,074 asymptomatic cases in total. There is one death nation wide. There are 77,078 cured cases and 1,299 existing cases. There are 8 more existing cases in Hong Kong and Macau.

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hydrogenpi

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Does anyone know the case number? I'm trying to find a pdf to read this lawsuit but so far not finding it on pacer maybe I'm not using the right search terms
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