Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

localizer

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19 dead form 484 cases gives a mortality rate of 3.93%!

Unless America has a far deadlier new strain than everywhere else, that points to a vast undetected/reported infected population size.

One has to wonder if it is pure co-incidence that Trump just expelled over 60 Chinese journalists.

Original sars might have been the same 2%, just we couldn't test for it.
 

KYli

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There are 40 confirmed cases and 22 deaths in China on Mar. 8 (table 1). There are 4 cases and 1 death outside Hubei province (table 3). All 4 cases outside Hubei were in Gansu province and all 4 are imported. Of the 67 imported cases, 33 are in Gansu. Maybe Gansu has a lot of Hui people and some of them returned from religious schools in Iran recently?


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China sent two charter flights a few days ago to Iran to bring back 300+ students and businessmen and quarantine them at Gansu.
 

KYli

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What are you talking about dude? You can't compare hunting to wild animal markets. Sure there is a chance of a virus jumping from a animal that was killed by a hunter, but that risk is way lower than having a wild animal markets where you mix hundreds of different types of species together in a crowded space where there are thousands of people coming in and out daily. The chances of a virus jumping from animal to person is way greater in such a setting.

Stop defending stupid practices like eating wild animals. There is a reason why out of the 5 pandemics, SARS, MERS, Swine Flu, Ebola, and COVID-19, 2 of them came from China.

If that is the case, then China should focus on shutting down the wet market with live animals . Eating wild animals seem not to be the main factor for spreading disease if this is your argument.
 

OppositeDay

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But with commercialisation, that worry goes away. How many people in China demand live chickens, pigs and cows etc to be killed and butchered at the supermarket to assure them of the freshness of the meat?

Nobody cares about freshly butchered pigs or cattle, but there has always been demands on freshly butchered heritage breed chicken even in areas of China with almost no wildlife consumption (most of Northern China).

Beijing used to have a lot of farmers markets where sellers butcher free range heritage breed chicken for the buyer on the spot, the municipal government banned them after SARS and never allowed them to reappear, and no there were no underground markets for freshly butchered heritage breed chicken sprouting up. It's just not worth it, people just went on to begrudgingly buy defrosted factory farmed chicken from supermarkets.
 
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free_6ix9ine

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If that is the case, then China should focus on shutting down the wet market with live animals . Eating wild animals seem not to be the main factor for spreading disease if this is your argument.

Look, the only reasons these markets exist is because people eat wild animals. If no one ate wild animals than these markets wouldn't exist. If you shut down these markets but don't prosecute the people who eat these animals, the trade will definitely go underground.
 

OppositeDay

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19 dead form 484 cases gives a mortality rate of 3.93%!

Unless America has a far deadlier new strain than everywhere else, that points to a vast undetected/reported infected population size.

One has to wonder if it is pure co-incidence that Trump just expelled over 60 Chinese journalists.

Case fatality rate is not an intrinsic property of the virus. It's only meaningful relative to a particular outbreak in a particular time at a particular place. The high morality rate in the U.S. is easily explainable as the result of the infections in the WA nursing home, which houses a extremely vulnerable population.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
19 dead form 484 cases gives a mortality rate of 3.93%!

Unless America has a far deadlier new strain than everywhere else, that points to a vast undetected/reported infected population size.

One has to wonder if it is pure co-incidence that Trump just expelled over 60 Chinese journalists.
One of the Areas of specific infection was a rest home. As such you had elderly and infirm infected in a highly localized era. That is spewing the numbers a bit. 7 people died there.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Look, the only reasons these markets exist is because people eat wild animals. If no one ate wild animals than these markets wouldn't exist. If you shut down these markets but don't prosecute the people who eat these animals, the trade will definitely go underground.

These markets exist not because of consumption of wild animals. In HK, we have live markets. Fresh poultry, fish, and vegetables etc are the reasons why live markets exist in greater China. HK government attempted to ban live chickens have not been very successful. Live chickens still can be sold in wet market but with only 29 vendors left and more stringent regulations. Even though everyone knew the risk of avian flu.
 
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Nutrient

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If like me you are wondering how many in the US have Covid-19, and like me distrust the official count,
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, will make you think.

According to the article, updated March 7, 2020, "Through interviews with dozens of public-health officials and a survey of local data from across the country, The Atlantic could only verify that 1,895 people have been tested for the coronavirus in the United States, about 10 percent of whom have tested positive" (emphasis added).

Repeat, ten percent were positive! Maybe only the visibly suffering were tested, so the true infection rate in the general population may be lower than 10%. But this is making me think.

Another part of the article: 'On Monday, Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, estimated that “by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed” in the United States'.

"Able to be performed"? How many will actually be performed? The commissioner's weasel-wording makes me think even more!
 
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