Please, you advocate for reopening so don't pretend you care.
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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We already know who-and-who are quick to point fingers at China even at the beginning of the pandemic and these people have the gall to tell China what to do in how to open the country.
China need not listen to these pretenders and make potentially catastrophic changes like changing wholesale the type of vaccines used.
What is happening now must be the perfect storm of more moderate virus variants and a large percentage of the population already vaccinated with just the right type of vaccines that are now resulting in very few serious cases.
More worrying could be something external like outside forces trying to sabotage the opening process by introducing the more virulent virus variants into the country.
I find it funny people think there is no going back after Zero Covid is abandoned. No, CCP can always quickly roll back to Zero Covid whenever they feel suited. Just announce the death toll and people will be scared to shit. What can people do about it? Some protests here and there? What can the anglo do about it? Whine on their media? That's it.
I did. Remember that. China will be in a much stronger place because of it.
Relaxing some of the rigid lockdown policies is the right thing to do against Omicron. It should have been done several months ago. We don't need to have this conversation all over again. Many will get infected (natural part of reopening), most will not die, Chinese healthcare system won't collapse because of Omicron.
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Hong Kong, Japan, and Taiwan healthcare system collapsed due to Omicron but somehow China wouldn't. Please be realistic and truthful, deaths are unavoidable. Health care system would be severely hit. Most patients would be asked to stay home and cope with Omicron.
If that is the path that you choose, then accepted the consequences. Don't be those suckers that would come out later and complaint about deaths.
It would have been better if they had re-opened a few provinces first to see how things go before opening up the whole thing like they are doing now. And in the middle of the winter too.
When you re-open people are going to die. The question is how many and will it leave the country in chaos like in some other parts of the world.
When you re-open people are going to die. The question is how many and will it leave the country in chaos like in some other parts of the world.
No point to do province by province as the virus would spread so fast that those provinces that still have restrictions would be overwhelmed with cases very soon.
Winter isn't the ideal time to reopen. However, it is better off the reopening is being implemented in late Nov and Dec than during the Chinese New Year. That would be the worst case scenario that the government has to avoid. Either now or early April, other timing of reopening is even worse than now. It seems the government doesn't want to wait til April as the pressure and protests forced them to speed up the reopening.
— Hong Kong had 6,000 deaths in the beginning months of reopening. But 96% was among senior 60 and older with a significant portion among 80 y/o and older. Most healthy, vaccinated/boosted, non-seniors do not get severely sick from Omicron. That is backed up by multiple studies across multiple countries.
— The current pace of opening up finally lit a fire to start vaccination of seniors. Something they should have done months ago. Instead, local governments stuck to rigid lockdowns and delayed the inevitable. If they kept lockdowns in place until Q2 2023 as you recommended, we likely won’t have a senior vaccination drive until next year.
— Nobody has ever recommended US style of letting it rip. The debate has always been against some of the rigid lockdown policies enforced by local governments trying to earn brownie points before the Party Congress. And if that is the right policy against a virus such as Omicron.
This is exactly what was addressed by the State Council in late October.
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Hong Kong was forced to reopen. The first big wave resulted in 8000 deaths. That is a fact. We all know that most of the deaths are seniors. However, China has 200 times more population than HK. It is a simple math that China would have many deaths even if it has higher vaccination rate than HK back then.
That's false. After the Shanghai debacle, vaccination among elderly over 60 have been increased from 80% to over 90% and vaccination for over 80 years old have increased from less than 50% to 65%. There is always a debate if the vaccination among seniors should be mandatory but vaccination among seniors are way better now than back then. As for a new vaccination drive, it is obvious that a nationwide vaccination campaign would rollout somewhere in Q1, 2023 but now it has moved up to Dec.
Don't be naive. It is either rigid lockdown or ending of lockdown. It is a daydreaming to think you can have a middle road. The only thing is that the steps you take to end lockdown could be quick or slow so the spread of the virus wouldn't be overwhelming.
State Council announcement can be rolled out slowly but those protesters make the process in a turbocharge speed to reopen. Beside, I am saying you have no moral ground to mourn the deaths as you have advocated for reopening. Just don't be those suckers that advocating for reopening and turn around criticizing the government for not preventing deaths.