Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


getready

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The fact that US hospitals are getting overwhelmed just proves that they strategy is even worst than Chinese 'zero-COVID' strategy. If the US hospital system can't take the influx of patients from your "minor cold/flu", then your COVID strategy is a failure. Atleast with the Chinese strategy, hospitals are not overwhelmed and cases are extremely low. With the US strategy, you have overwhelmed hospitals, high cases, and high deaths. What exactly are you achieving with the 'zero-Action' strategy?
It’s called living with covid strategy which aussies have also adapted after being praised for its covid response in the early stages. But others more astute have described it as more like, dying with covid strategy.
 

OppositeDay

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I will post some of the difference between KN95 and N95 again for the benefit of forum readers. I have posted many times on this.
KN95 and N95 are not totally equivalent.

You see the yellow straps going around the back of the mask in this picture. This is a requirement for N95 standard. Because it goes around the back of the head when you wear it, the seal is much better. However, this also makes it more uncomfortable.

Most of the KN95 seen outside of China are "civilian grade", they use earloops like the regular surgical masks. If you pay attention to the photos of healthcare workers in China, they are usually wearing the "medical grade" which has head straps. The earloops are much easier to put on and take off, which makes it more ideal for day to day use. The filtering "mask" is essentially the same though, basically a hybrid.

I am not totally sure any manufacturers shut down as @KYli mentioned, but generally his statement matches my observation. I did not hear of many new domestic manufacturing lines of N95 popping up (surgical masks, are a different story, there are many new ones, probably equipment sold at a discount from China), suggesting the current capacity is enough.

What happened early on was a lot of misinformation, fabrications, profiteers, and confusion. Since there is no Western equivalent to "civilian grade" KN95, many of these were considered "not to N95 standard". This is fair, because even in China, they are not up to the medical standard. However, the news early on never made that entirely clear (Or even if they ever really knew). Obviously with this situation, there is going to be dishonesty and confusion on both ends. To the credit of the Chinese government, they tried very hard to crackdown on their end to protect the national reputation.

Actually the civilian KN95's continued importation into America is owing to the fact that it is considered a superior product compared to a regular disposable mask. Cost was mentioned, well KN95 cost is still more than an average earloop mask. It better established that it is not the same as N95, nor is it still being misrepresented like that. I think it helped that the NBA and NFL adopted them.

It is also now being produced in black colour often so it is not confused with a medical grade mask (since early on people were being hassled for "stealing" masks from healthcare workers due to the shortage)

Just wanted to add, actually now you see quite a few POSITIVE articles on KN95.
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Yeah my mom (retired forensic scientist) switched from N95 to civilian KN95 because it's so much more comfortable for shopping or a stride in the park.
 

getready

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This is pushing it to an extreme. As supermarket goods run out on the shelves,


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While close contacts around the country have been allowed to go back to work after the federal government pushed for more relaxed isolation rules, a South Australian meatworks went further.

People who were Covid positive were allowed to go back to work. Peter Hannam writes:

Workers who tested positive to Covid were forced to wear yellow hairnets to identify themselves.
 

tygyg1111

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This is pushing it to an extreme. As supermarket goods run out on the shelves,


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While close contacts around the country have been allowed to go back to work after the federal government pushed for more relaxed isolation rules, a South Australian meatworks went further.

People who were Covid positive were allowed to go back to work. Peter Hannam writes:
but at what cost?
 

gelgoog

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So you get more meat at the risk of spreading COVID-19 to the people who buy the meat. Viruses can last for a while on humid food.
Then as you spread the COVID-19 to more people at the meat packing plant production crashes.
 

Tyler

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So you get more meat at the risk of spreading COVID-19 to the people who buy the meat. Viruses can last for a while on humid food.
Then as you spread the COVID-19 to more people at the meat packing plant production crashes.
Are they getting covid herd immunity yet? they are claiming the symptoms are now very mild.
 

Overbom

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Are they getting covid herd immunity yet? they are claiming the symptoms are now very mild.
They should have significant reduction in cases in max 2 weeks.
By then with herd immunity (2-dose vaccines + covid infection = super protection) + and extra booster + covid pill, they would open almost completely

UK is already opening and ignoring the virus.
 

Tyler

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They should have significant reduction in cases in max 2 weeks.
By then with herd immunity (2-dose vaccines + covid infection = super protection) + and extra booster + covid pill, they would open almost completely

UK is already opening and ignoring the virus.
They are just covering up the situation by having a very number of people infected, so that the rates look better.
 

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