Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


tch1972

Junior Member
They're just looking at the data as it is without any kind of scientific analysis. Malaysia started off the vaccination with mostly Sinovac with the older groups of people first follow progressively by the younger groups and in cities and towns at a time and place when the outbreak was beginning to get out of control. The comparison is bound to be skewed if an older group vaccinated mostly with Sinovac is lumped together with a younger group mostly vaccinated with Pfizer in that kind of very unscientific analysis.

Also, consider that an unvaccinated much younger group can have a much better fatality rate outcome than a group of the vaccinated older groups.
Malaysiakini is funded by NED and Soros OSI

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gelgoog

Captain
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Interestingly, real world data validates the fact that natural immunity works, vaccines don't. Republican states now have far fewer cases compared to Democrat states, presumably due to no mask policy therefore more virus exposure and consequently better natural immunity.

"Natural immunity" also only lasts 6 months.
 

SteelBird

Major
The third person has died from the Covid-19 vaccination saga in Thanh Hoa, Vietnam. (article in Vietnamese with Google translate below)

Thêm người tử vong sau tiêm vaccine Covid-19 ở Thanh Hóa​

Ngày 25/11, Ban chỉ đạo Phòng chống Covid-19 tỉnh Thanh Hóa cho biết, người phụ nữ vừa tử vong 30 tuổi, là công nhân Công ty giày Kim Việt, bị phản ứng sau khi tiêm vaccine Vero Cell.

Chị là người thứ ba
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tại huyện Nông Cống hôm 23/11. Sau khi 400 công nhân Công ty giày Kim Việt được tiêm vaccine Vero Cell, cơ quan y tế ghi nhận hơn 30 người xuất hiện triệu chứng bất thường. Trong đó 5 người bị nặng, được chẩn đoán phản ứng phản vệ.

Google translate:
More people died after receiving Covid-19 vaccine in Thanh Hoa On November 25,

Thanh Hoa Province's Steering Committee for Covid-19 Prevention and Control said that the 30-year-old woman who had just died, a worker at Kim Viet Shoe Company, had a reaction after receiving the Vero Cell vaccine. She is the third person to die after vaccination in Nong Cong district on November 23. After 400 workers of Kim Viet Shoe Company were vaccinated with Vero Cell vaccine, health authorities recorded more than 30 people showing unusual symptoms. Of these, 5 were seriously ill and were diagnosed with anaphylaxis.

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Quickie

Major
This anti-covid drug sounds promising and is already in the third stage trial in Brazil. It's a non-antibody type of drug and much cheaper ($20 per course) and is effective for both outpatient and inpatient serious cases, unlike the other one recently reported drug that is only effective during the early stages.


 

taxiya

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Interestingly, real world data validates the fact that natural immunity works, vaccines don't. Republican states now have far fewer cases compared to Democrat states, presumably due to no mask policy therefore more virus exposure and consequently better natural immunity.

care to tell us the difference between "natural" immunity and vaccine induced immunity? Especially between inactivated vaccine induced and "natural" immunity? Both are induced by virus, one is dead virus that don't get you sick, the other will put you on bed or ICU for weeks.

Basically you are saying there is a meaningful difference drinking tab water and drinking directly from the river.
 

Bob Smith

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AstraZeneca had 71.5% effectiveness against infection and 74.5% against Covid-related death, while Sinopharm had 68.7% effectiveness against infection and 87.8% against death. Both AstraZeneca and Sinopharm had less than 50% effectiveness against Covid infection in people aged 85 and older, according to the study.
Sinopharm is objectively better than AstraZeneca based on this study. However, you will NEVER get this impression based on the majority of Western media.
 

gelgoog

Captain
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I liked how Bloomberg claims Pfizer was better than Sputnik V when the protection is worse by the numbers they present on their own article. I also don't know about you, but I would rate protection against death as more important than protection against infection.
 

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