Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[SteelBird]

Is this necessary? When one wants his rights not to be vaccinated, would he/she respect others' rights to get vaccines?

 

[ansy1968]

Is this necessary? When one wants his rights not to be vaccinated, would he/she respect others' rights to get vaccines?

@SteelBird bro" your freedom is not my freedom mine is ' I constantly heard the word FREEDOM the way they used it cheapened its meaning. They sure had a lot of time to protest while us here in the developing world are working hard to earn a living. It shows were our priority lies, we work hard to help our Family , to contribute to our society and therefore help our nation. Its an Asian core value and I'm proud that my children had those , Me and my wife had done a good job as we able to block the western influenced and value being propagate here especially at catholic run school. (we enrolled them in a Chinese school).

 

[Dolcevita]

So the Indians are claiming the opposite, when it was shown this drug has some potential. The success of this drug is actually good for Indian itself, since India still has a hard time containing covid cases.

This drug potentially has potential according Merck’s press release which by the way has not been peer reviewed.
It is now the MBA marketing folks job to make the sale pitch to media for before the findings are peer reviewed and approved.
They can always claim later that new deadlier variant is causing the breakthough against the cure.

On this one, I will trust the Indian's findings here as they do not have a conflict of interest, unlike Merck.

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[OppositeDay]

Not good enough. Pfizer has 79% efficacy against delta. 77% efficacy won't cut it in terms of competition. Why should a country buy 3 doses for 77% when they can buy 2 doses for 79% with higher efficacy than lower cost?

Because it’s available? You don’t seem to understand the worldwide demand for vaccines far outstrips the supply.

 

[AndrewS]

Not good enough. Pfizer has 79% efficacy against delta. 77% efficacy won't cut it in terms of competition. Why should a country buy 3 doses for 77% when they can buy 2 doses for 79% with higher efficacy and lower cost?

Pfizer being lower cost? That is a joke

From what I've seen.

2 doses of Pfizer costs about $60
3 doses of Zhifei probably costs $20-$30

But note that Astrazeneca only charges at cost, which is $2 per dose

 

[solarz]

Is this necessary? When one wants his rights not to be vaccinated, would he/she respect others' rights to get vaccines?

The US is dysfunctional.

 

[In4ser]

Not good enough. Pfizer has 79% efficacy against delta. 77% efficacy won't cut it in terms of competition. Why should a country buy 3 doses for 77% when they can buy 2 doses for 79% with higher efficacy and lower cost?

Because MRNA requires storage at subzero temperatures but even then only last 6 months which is problematic in poor and developing area and partially why so many vaccines in the US are thrown away.

 

[taxiya]

So the Indians are claiming the opposite, when it was shown this drug has some potential. The success of this drug is actually good for Indian itself, since India still has a hard time containing covid cases.

Remdesivir was equally promising back in 2020, now look at where it is? It could be the same circus running all over again UNLESS medical trail was thoroughly done and peer reviewed. And even so, CDC could be giving urgent approval against inconclusive scientific review just like Remdesivir.

Do you remember that "medical data" from the US saying Remdesivir was making difference, while China's trail said no difference and subsequently stopped the trail earlier than scheduled? This new magic drug could be just that, instead of China, it is India this time.

Don't blindly believe that American company or government agencies are any more trustworthy than "third world" counterparts. Boeing and FAA said 737 MAX was safe, while the rest of world followed China's footstep grounding it.

 

[getready]

Not good enough. Pfizer has 79% efficacy against delta. 77% efficacy won't cut it in terms of competition. Why should a country buy 3 doses for 77% when they can buy 2 doses for 79% with higher efficacy and lower cost?

Wait wat! Putting aside the fact Pfizer is expensive and requires very cold temperatures for storage and so transportation is also not easy. As other said.

But also you claimed 79% against delta is very fishy when israeli own studies say they drop to 50-60% efficacy. that's why their cases shot up after they reopened even though most of their population like more than 80% are double vaccinated. Same in Singapore.

 

[TomSellinger]

Wait wat! Putting aside the fact Pfizer is expensive and requires very cold temperatures for storage and so transportation is also not easy. As other said.

But also you claimed 79% against delta is very fishy when israeli own studies say they drop to 50-60% efficacy. that's why their cases shot up after they reopened even though most of their population like more than 80% are double vaccinated. Same in Singapore.

It's 79% effective right off the bat. After 6 months it should fall to below 50%.