It is so minor that WeChat and Weibo blew up with demands for freedom of speech and blames toward Wuhan government for cover-ups and delayed response.
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He can't disclose info doesn't equal he can't be proactive. The shutdown of the wet market without carrying out quarantined. Most shop owners were allowed to go business as usual . No actions were taking to stock pile medical supplies. No preparation was made to ensure the lock down would be carried out smoothly.
The problem is that he was not proactive at all until it became clear that there is a pandemic.
And the downfall of Soviet Union is hasten by the fact that they allowed freedom of speech unchecked after the chernobyl disaster.
Wouldn't that lead to even more cover-ups and risks of power abuse? Transparency is what compels bureaucrats to do their jobs. Yes, intelligence agencies and the military may require certain degrees of secrecy due to defense against spies, but not municipal government.
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I'm afraid you are applying your set of ideals and imagining events based on them. The truth is that the CCP has done so well that it has more than enough credit to weather small mistakes, or even larger ones. When your set of concerns comes into play would be if China's large goals are failing to be met and China looks like it will be fading like the Soviet Union. People may bitch and moan but actual support and approval of the CCP is incredibly high along with nationalism. Right now, if every government that made a small mistake and tried to cover it up were to lose legitimacy, there would be no legitimate governments left, and that's not to say that Beijing will not take responsibility to those 8 doctors; depending on what actually happened (how wrong/right they were and what their methods were), Beijing may well choose to honor them, but now in the heat of battle is not the time.
What can I say, when a giant walks, people think it's an earthquake. You think that's major? Because you don't know the scale of China. This is minor, and it will blow over into nothing. Wait and see.
First of all, it's an epidemic, not a pandemic. Secondly, why don't you try being educated in viruses and write the CDC protocol and when something causes undue panic or if an epidemic is not recognized early enough, everyone drag your body out on the street to be tarred and feathered, huh? You want everything perfect with no problems, go do it yourself.
The key is competence. The more power you put into the hands of a competent government, the better the result. The more transparency and checks are demanded of an incompetent government, the better the result. There is no government out there as competent and result-oriented as the CCP. And it's easy to nitpick on specific instances where mistakes were made like this one, but overall, my statement stands.
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They basically already have been vindicated when China's top court criticized their punishment. Other respected members leading the charge against the epidemic have also made similar statements.
(Ignore the bad title and content of the article; Dr Li despite everything was not actually a "whistleblower")
Whether there's any reason to go further to "exonerate" him or the others is a different matter, but the CCDI have sent a team there to investigate likely based on the level of public focus.
That's the point of having a national command authority for health matters, to be able to coordinate an effective regional and national response.
What I'm saying is whether there was a delay in getting the information from local govt authority to central govt.
That's why he and many Wuhan officials and Hubei officials and China CDC officials can't deny that they are incompetent. But who ultimately should be blamed the most need to be investigated.
Lol I guess it's super okay to be this political in this thread but not okay in other military discussions. Since we attempt to refrain from politics when we're talking about J-20s, why not exercise just a bit more restraint here as well? 107 pages we've got now with at least 50 contributing to politics. Let's do our own containment efforts and keep it news and news related discussions sans the "CCP bad!" and "CCP great!" comments.
Those critical pretend as if CCP has done zero good for Chinese people and other's too! and those who pretend CCP is perfect imagine it as some sort of divine authority immune from corruption. Let's give that stuff a rest.
Those critical pretend as if CCP has done zero good for Chinese people and other's too! and those who pretend CCP is perfect imagine it as some sort of divine authority immune from corruption. Let's give that stuff a rest.
Seeing as you're asking -- for certain threads a degree of exception have been made in the past, e.g.: for the HK protest thread and is decided on a case by case basis depending on the specific topic.
For this particular thread topic, a certain level of political discussion will be allowed as it directly relates to the handling of the current epidemic, but I expect things to remain civil.