COMAC C919

tphuang

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i'm honestly tired off the couple of people who refused to be happy until everything on C919 is domestic. If you do not know anything about airlines, then read up on it and understand what airlines need before you start commenting. It's extremely unhelpful to see people who know absolutely nothing about airline industry to blab off nonsensically about what an airline needs.
 

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i'm honestly tired off the couple of people who refused to be happy until everything on C919 is domestic. If you do not know anything about airlines, then read up on it and understand what airlines need before you start commenting. It's extremely unhelpful to see people who know absolutely nothing about airline industry to blab off nonsensically about what an airline needs.

I don't understand why you're tired, the last page or two did not contradict any of your points. Particularly, nobody disagreed that the usage of foreign parts made both certification, and will likely make availability rates better, rather than using domestic parts.

That's not what people expressed concern over.
 
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The same as with the semiconductor industry to much reliance on Western suppliers for a lot of crucial components. Localization rate 60% according to Global Times.

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Well, the US/West dominates the world’s aerospace industry and they have over half a century of experience in this field with a proven track record. So it's difficult to completely avoid using US/Western technology/products in building a viable civilian airliner. China will need decades to catch up and gain similar experience . China has already done quite well getting this product up to speed.
 

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The localization rate of C919 is now far exceeding the original settings. In 2008, the goal was only 30%. The localization work will continue, but there is another very important goal in the new stage, which is the commercial success of the C919.
I agree. The most important and pressing goal is to get C919 up in the air and flying. Once that's done, domestication of components can be done gradually.
 

GiantPanda

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I agree. The most important and pressing goal is to get C919 up in the air and flying. Once that's done, domestication of components can be done gradually.

Exactly. Waiting for a 100% domestic product would basically leave you with nothing for literally decades -- the C919 has already taken 15 years.

If we did the same in the military arena, we would have had to wait until 2020 to get the J-10A because that was when the WS-10 series was reliable and available enough for a single-engine fighter.

As it were, China inducted the J-10A with AL-31 in 2005 and got the J-10C with the WS-10B in 2020.

COMAC is doing the right thing. Get the thing flying and working first and then indigenize over the production run.
 

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Exactly. Waiting for a 100% domestic product would basically leave you with nothing for literally decades -- the C919 has already taken 15 years.

If we did the same in the military arena, we would have had to wait until 2020 to get the J-10A because that was when the WS-10 series was reliable and available enough for a single-engine fighter.

As it were, China inducted the J-10A with AL-31 in 2005 and got the J-10C with the WS-10B in 2020.

COMAC is doing the right thing. Get the thing flying and working first and then indigenize over the production run.
We are not disagreeing.
 

Dark Father

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i'm honestly tired off the couple of people who refused to be happy until everything on C919 is domestic. If you do not know anything about airlines, then read up on it and understand what airlines need before you start commenting. It's extremely unhelpful to see people who know absolutely nothing about airline industry to blab off nonsensically about what an airline needs.
Well, we should bet a good amount of cash on when the first sanction hammers will drop on that plane banning those western components from being supplied to the PRC. 2023 or 2024?
 

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Exactly. Waiting for a 100% domestic product would basically leave you with nothing for literally decades -- the C919 has already taken 15 years
do you even know what are you talking about. it will take decades to 100 percent localized C919? it means 20 to 30 years ? LOL

COMAC have had reasons to go with foreign suppliers. its not about technology bottleneck. its about availability , service , maintenance and to gain trust of airliners.

with western suppliers, C919 can go directly compete with Airbus/Boeing without any fear of rejection.

on pure technological basis, COMAC right now have complete set of indigenous components/parts(some are under development) for large aircrafts include engine.

If we did the same in the military arena, we would have had to wait until 2020 to get the J-10A because that was when the WS-10 series was reliable and available enough for a single-engine fighter.
you can't give the example of WS-10 engine here. first step is always tough to climb. you have to build supply chain , cultivate talent , build ecosystem and produce core components. this is the reason why it took China 40 years.

CJ-1000./CJ-2000 merely took 1 decade to design/produce and might enter in service as per their schedule. both engines are far more superior and technical than WS-10.
 

tphuang

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Well, we should bet a good amount of cash on when the first sanction hammers will drop on that plane banning those western components from being supplied to the PRC. 2023 or 2024?

I don't really think that's helpful at all. What I know is this. If you are concerned with Western components being sanctioned, then you can wait another 10 years until everything on C919 is produced domestically. Or you can move forward with a perfectly fine aircraft now and see how your aircraft performs in real world conditions. Airlines can then decide whether C919 is worth adding to. Whether COMAC can properly support C919 after sale of the aircraft.
 
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