Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

tonyget

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Allowing the Western media to brainwash Chinese when the West banned Chinese platforms. Do you think Chinese are moron?

Um,who banned Chinese people's access to TikTok International version?Don't tell me it's the West

Why do the US so scared of China that even Confucius institution is deemed as a threat? You are the one advocate China to open up when the West shut the door on China. Why China need to open up when the West shut it door?

Define "open up"

What are you talking about? Your wordings don't even make sense.

Don't get it? too bad

And the Western platforms would be any better. Google, FB, and Twitter were even more abusive in silencing other voices. Banning anyone speaks up for Chinese. Google even tagged rioter song as national anthem and refused to take it down.

You reasoning and logic is so flaw and laughable. If it is many years ago before the US going full retarded and attacked anything China, then you might have an argument. After the West has abused its power and finance power by sanctioning and misused its social media for color revolution and banned technology because it can't compete. You have no point to stand.

It would be China that would be doomed. Look at all those color revolution. FB, Twitter, and Google all played a part. How Hong Kong color revolution got evolved from merely a protest to a full blown color revolution. It is by rumors through FB, Twitter, Youtube and using Telegram to organize mass riots.

People are just so naive. Remember how they banned Russian voice and anything positives about Russia just recently. Soft power is useless as piece of toilet paper if you have no control of it. Remember how opinions of China and Russia go from positives to negatives within a year. What kind of soft power if your enemy can merely turn public opinion against you so easily. TikTok would soon be banned. So go your theory of open internet that would bring a better China and Chinese voice. I thought people here would learn and should know about this but guess not.

So you are denying that special interest group in China has been abusing and manipulating the censorship system,I see.
 
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zhangjim

Junior Member
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LOLOL This Falun Gong guy's like, "Who is loyal? What is loyalty? Those who are seen as loyal can be seen as traiters while the truly loyal are attacked." LOLOL Save that shit. Those who study STEM and bring their skills to China are loyal. Those who follow the CCP's governance of China are loyal. Those who shill about China's "lack of freedoms" are traitors who need some American police brutality to teach them what's freedom.
Do you remember Fang Fang(方方)?
This lady can be said to be the perfect proof of the corruption of the propaganda department.
Her publication of those 2020 diaries with overblown descriptions of the disaster in Wuhan received no correction, and she was not punished as a person who receives a salary from the government.
Such a clown is still a senior leader of the Writers' Association. You can imagine how bad the propaganda department will be.

I couldn't understand. Maybe it's true, as others have said, that putting the opposition in less important positions limits their influence.
Or maybe those writers who have entered the system are already such Occidentalist?
Do you think such people are also loyal?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
To members who don't read Chinese:

If you are interested in exploring more common Chinese people's view on various topics,I strongly recommend you follow the way I did when I try to study specific countries. Which is surf native language forum with the help of translation software,DO NOT rely on informations from english version forum unless the the majority of that country's population are fluent in english.

This is especially true for countries like China Russia Japan Korea etc. If you do this,I promise you that you will find a whole different world that is vastly different from the english version XX country's forum,SDF included. Make no mistake,english version forum DO NOT represent the majority common folks opinion,native language forum is the real deal. For China,even domestic forum is under strict censorship and tons of topic is forbidden to discuss,you'd still get much more authentic experiences than the "international version China forum" like SDF.

I know it's labourious to navigate in non-english forums with translation software,but if you really want to dig deep into regular local people's mind,it's absolutely worth of the time.

BTW, I surf Russian native forum recently,and I can tell you people's opinion over there is totally different from the english language Russia Defence Forum.
So to get to the real authentic Chinese experience, you should not listen to Chinese people talking to you but be a creepy foreigner trying to translate foreign blogs, right? LOL And if you don't like what you're seeing on a blog, keep looking until you find dissident blogs!

Not really. In general, the population that are going onto forums and threads is a population with something they care a lot about. In this case, the majority of the domestic audience has never been abroad. In thier world, it's just them and the government. Take this population and then take the subgroup of people who go online instead of spending all thier time in their busy lives and you'll get a group of people complaining about the government especially if you look for it. If 90% of the people are fine and go about their lives but 10% of people have grievances, you'll see a forum with the majority of those 10%ers and you'll mistakenly take that to be the majority.

Those who go abroad usually become much more nationalistic because now their world is not just them and the Chinese government but it becomes them, the Chinese side and the hostile foreign side. They can actually see that now, so they are more educated and more patriotic.

There is no substitute for the authentic Chinese experience to being Chinese and having all your friends be Chinese, no matter how hard a foreigner or "China expert" digs.
Do you remember Fang Fang(方方)?
This lady can be said to be the perfect proof of the corruption of the propaganda department.
Her publication of those 2020 diaries with overblown descriptions of the disaster in Wuhan received no correction, and she was not punished as a person who receives a salary from the government.
Such a clown is still a senior leader of the Writers' Association. You can imagine how bad the propaganda department will be.

I couldn't understand. Maybe it's true, as others have said, that putting the opposition in less important positions limits their influence.
Or maybe those writers who have entered the system are already such Occidentalist?
Do you think such people are also loyal?
No, and I know that people like you are not as well. Your complaint now stems to what? That they didn't punish her harshly enough for what she wrote on Wuhan? Nobody here understands your drivel, one post saying there is not enough freedom and now saying that there is too much freedom and not enough punishment. This is perfect proof of your incoherence.

If you want to judge if someone is a patriot to China, simply ask this: Would the US government or the Chinese government support his/her actions?
 
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zhangjim

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No, and I know that people like you are not as well. Your complaint now stems to what? That they didn't punish her harshly enough for what she wrote on Wuhan? Nobody here understands your drivel, one post saying there is not enough freedom and now saying that there is too much freedom and not enough punishment. This is perfect proof of your incoherence.
I hate having no standards.
She is a very excessive person, but because she has a certain social status, she only received some criticism. She also has a large number of colleagues openly supporting her. For her, she has enjoyed sufficient freedom of speech. And her position will not be shaken.

But obviously this standard does not apply to me. My words must be careful. If my words trigger the blacklist of prohibited words, they will be deleted immediately.
I just want to be treated fairly. Why can she be undamaged while I have to be limited everywhere?
 

tonyget

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So to get to the real authentic Chinese experience, you should not listen to Chinese people talking to you but be a creepy foreigner trying to translate foreign blogs, right? LOL And if you don't like what you're seeing on a blog, keep looking until you find dissident blogs!

To get real authentic Chinese experience, you should listen to those Chinese people who don't speak english

Not really. In general, the population that are going onto forums and threads is a population with something they care a lot about. In this case, the majority of the domestic audience has never been abroad. In thier world, it's just them and the government. Take this population and then take the subgroup of people who go online instead of spending all thier time in their busy lives and you'll get a group of people complaining about the government especially if you look for it. If 90% of the people are fine and go about their lives but 10% of people have grievances, you'll see a forum with the majority of those 10%ers and you'll mistakenly take that to be the majority.

Elder generation,perhaps. But nowadays pretty much every young folks interact with people over internet

Those who go abroad usually become much more nationalistic because now their world is not just them and the Chinese government but it becomes them, the Chinese side and the hostile foreign side. They can actually see that now, so they are more educated and more patriotic.

The majority of the domestic audience's opinion,is the representative of the majority Chinese folks. The small number of Chinese people who lives abroad,do not represent Chinese people.

There is no substitute for the authentic Chinese experience to being Chinese and having all your friends be Chinese, no matter how hard a foreigner or "China expert" digs.

Foreigner will never become Chinese,but when they try to learn China,there are certain ways stands out
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I hate having no standards.
She is a very excessive person, but because she has a certain social status, she only received some criticism. She also has a large number of colleagues openly supporting her. For her, she has enjoyed sufficient freedom of speech. And her position will not be shaken.

But obviously this standard does not apply to me. My words must be careful. If my words trigger the blacklist of prohibited words, they will be deleted immediately.
I just want to be treated fairly. Why can she be undamaged while I have to be limited everywhere?
Nobody cares about your childish hate. Go find a country you think is fair and move there. In my experience, no country is fair. Some countries have royalty. India has caste. Other countries have corruption. Other countries might shoot you or let you off with a warning depending on skin color. What we citizens can ask for is general fairness among the population and China is very good at delivering that. What you ask for is situation and person specific! If you want fairness to anyone then you need to build yourself and have an equal platform to that person before you ask for fairness with that person. All over the world, famous people and billionaires can do things, then go to court and go free while a poor person who does the same cannot afford the lawyer or the compensation and will be incarcerated. There is no perfect equality anywhere. Your complaint is childish and unreasonable.
To get real authentic Chinese experience, you should listen to those Chinese people who don't speak english
LOLOL Why is that a criteria? Many people in China have various levels of English proficiency. Every educated Indian speaks English. I speak both Chinese and English. I'm not authentic? Your Chinese experience is authentic but not mine? LOLOLOL
Elder generation,perhaps. But nowadays pretty much every young folks interact with people over internet
Not really. Most young folks interact with each other over chat apps privately. Very very few people go to public forums to argue or discuss. Among my Chinese friends, I am the only one. When I tell someone I do this, I usually get asked why I waste my time talking to foreigners.
The majority of the domestic audience's opinion,is the representative of the majority Chinese folks.
Not if there is sampling bias selecting only the small portion of people who go online to public discussions. I already explained why that is flawed and how 10% angry people can look bigger than 90% people who are content and go about their lives privately.
The small number of Chinese people who lives abroad,do not represent Chinese people.
That's true, but they represent the most educated and most wide-seeing group. They are fit to advise leadership and direct the country, hence thier opinion is weighted more heavily.
Foreigner will never become Chinese,but when they try to learn China,there are certain ways stands out
Being slightly less wrong is still wrong. You understand who you are and we understand who we are. It's annoying and stupid when someone who is not you claims to be an expert in who you are and even shares funny methods to do it. It's like a cow swearing it knows what it's like to be a fish.
 
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Michaelsinodef

Senior Member
Registered Member
To members who don't read Chinese:

If you are interested in exploring more common Chinese people's view on various topics,I strongly recommend you follow the way I did when I try to study specific countries. Which is surf native language forum with the help of translation software,DO NOT rely on informations from english version forum unless the the majority of that country's population are fluent in english.

This is especially true for countries like China Russia Japan Korea etc. If you do this,I promise you that you will find a whole different world that is vastly different from the english version XX country's forum,SDF included. Make no mistake,english version forum DO NOT represent the majority common folks opinion,native language forum is the real deal. For China,even domestic forum is under strict censorship and tons of topic is forbidden to discuss,you'd still get much more authentic experiences than the "international version China forum" like SDF.

I know it's labourious to navigate in non-english forums with translation software,but if you really want to dig deep into regular local people's mind,it's absolutely worth of the time.

BTW, I surf Russian native forum recently,and I can tell you people's opinion over there is totally different from the english language Russia Defence Forum.
Different takes and views, sure.

Broadly representative of their country? Lol, no.

In fact, the online population of a country that goes to on specific forums and post there a lot, really isn't representative of broad views of their countries.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Registered Member
I hate having no standards.
She is a very excessive person, but because she has a certain social status, she only received some criticism. She also has a large number of colleagues openly supporting her. For her, she has enjoyed sufficient freedom of speech. And her position will not be shaken.

But obviously this standard does not apply to me. My words must be careful. If my words trigger the blacklist of prohibited words, they will be deleted immediately.
I just want to be treated fairly. Why can she be undamaged while I have to be limited everywhere?
Ah, you talk about fairness. The American system is said to be the fairest, most equal, most democratic system in the world.

But here is a ID card for personal friends and family of police officers in the US.

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You still remember "我爸是李刚“?imagine having that on your ID card and society accepting it. Fair?
 
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